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I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue here. All I was saying that at least in the case of this season, the top passing offenses coincide pretty well with the top scoring offenses. Scoring more points is better. The top 5 passing offenses is made up of a mix of good teams and teams with good offenses and bad defenses.

He's been average to below-average. Certainly not good enough that I'd consider my search for a franchise QB to be over. But with him locked up for another year, I'd probably be looking to draft a QB rather than sign someone like Cam.

Foles for sure. Marrone definitely seems to be in jeopardy as well. Seems like some combination of the following teams will have new QBs: Tampa - Guessing Jameis returns next season, but we'll see. Tennessee - Seem likely to re-sign Tannehill if he keeps it up, but we'll see. Miami - Might forego QB in the draft and wait for next year, so this could be an option for a vet like Cam. Pittsburgh - possible retirement, but I doubt it. Indy - Probably stick it out with Brissett or draft. Jacksonville - Seems like Foles is likely done already and not sure if Minshew will be unquestioned starter. LA Chargers - Rivers might retire or might just leave. Las Vegas - Not sure what Gruden thinks of Carr; he's been solid this year for the most part. New England - Brady might retire or just leave. Cincinnati - Almost certainly drafting someone. Atlanta - Could potentially try to blow things up?

Very curious to see who else is gone this offseason from Carolina. In the very least, seems like a relative certainty that Cam will be moving on somewhere, and there will be a lot of musical chairs with QBs.

If the front office thought he'd be fine in the locker room/has been humbled a bit, then yeah, I'd pretty gladly take him.

Not surprising, figured he'd end up in New York next year with the Giants. We'll see though; would be shocked if he didn't land another HC gig this offseason (unless he wants to take time off).

Looks like this thread has taken on a life of it's own, but to the OP: The top 5 passing offenses in the league this year are: Dallas - #4 in points per drive Atlanta - #12 in points per drive Kansas City - #2 in points per drive Tampa Bay - #10 in points per drive LA Rams - #19 in points per drive 3/5 are top 10 offenses and 1 of the remaining is just a tad outside. That's pretty pretty good. Edit: Just want to make it clear I'm not saying Allen needs 300 passing yards in a game or anything. Simply pointing out that the best passing offenses pretty closely coincide with the best offenses.

If you took just his past 7 games, he’d be slotted in as the 13th best QB in the league. I think that’s an accurate barometer of how he’s playing right now. But those first few games in which he either cost the team the game or tried to lose it for 3 quarters before saving the day still happened and that’s weighing his rating down at the moment. If he continues playing the way he has recently, his QBR will be much higher this season than it was last year.

Nah, that's frankly incorrect. The Jets game was terrible. Eagles and Titans were bad. Bengals was pretty bad. And the Patriots he pretty much singlehandedly lost the game. He was also quite good when he returned from his injury last season. He's certainly been better statistically this season, and the past 7 games for him have been a significant step up from what he's previously been, but the beginning of the year still happened and he was bad/sometimes terrible then.

Passer rating basically just focuses on completion percentage, passing TDs, and INTs. He hasn't thrown INTs outside of the first few games, so his passer rating has increased a ton. It doesn't factor in the fumble woes he had earlier in the year, the dropped INTs, etc. that QBR factors in. He also hasn't added THAT much value as a runner this year. He's only 7th in the league in that regard. He's been good at running it in at the end of the drives, but QBR is all about expected points added, so the fact that he hasn't used his running ability all that much up until they actually get to the end zone results in his rushing value not being as high as you might expect.

Lowest rated in terms of what? Barnwell doesn't do draft scouting. Jameis has been top 10 once; last year when he only played half the season. FWIW, Allen's QBR over the past 7 games would slot him in at 13th in the league. It's just that he was bad for the first few games and it's weighed his overall ranking down.

I’m like 80% sure I won’t be able to watch the game at all. Might be able to watch the first few minutes and maybe catch the end if I’m lucky but I’m a guest this year and dinner is at 5:00 and these families generally stretch dinner out over the course of many hours. Wrong year for Buffalo to have a Thanksgiving game haha

I wouldn't say Washington has been silent; he's put up over 300 yards the past 4 games (a 1,200 yard pace). But coming out of Oklahoma State, he had basically no experience running routes and unlike a guy like DK Metcalf, he didn't have the physical tools to overcome that right away.

Man, remember the reports that Rudolph was next up on our list of the QBs McBeane wanted if we missed out on Allen? I do. I was petrified that would end up being what we ended up with.

I still remember a thread from maybe a month ago when @John from Riverside was laughing at me for suggesting Lamar was even a 2nd tier MVP candidate. Well, Vegas now gives him an 80% chance of winning the award. He's proven both of us wrong I guess.

He kinda was though. Certainly far better than Tebow.

Will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out. Barnwell's theory is that they won't be able to find a taker for Johnson and they like Edmonds enough and are already paying Johnson a ton so they'll just roll with those two and maybe a draft prospect.

Guessing he still transfers but that's not anything I'm gathering from any sources, just my guess.

I voted 23-25, but thinking about it more, I think he's probably more around the 18-22 range right now.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28121690/all-nfl-running-backs-get-paid-2020-why-recent-deals-look-disasters As always, a good read from Barnwell on a topic that definitely has not at all been beaten to death: the value of RBs. TLDR: Melvin Gordon: franchise tag, especially if the Chargers let Rivers walk. Derrick Henry: re-signed due to Titans valuing him more than other teams would. Kenyan Drake: likely to hit free agency and sign as the lesser role in a timeshare Jordan Howard: likely to hit free agency and sign a very small deal (he suggests 1 year $2 million) Christian McCaffrey: long-term extension, maybe highest paid RB in the league Leonard Fournette: Jags pick up his 5th year option, though Barnwell thinks they should be very hesitant about it Dalvin Cook: likely to be re-signed, though Barnwell thinks they should let him walk Alvin Kamara: long-term extension around 4 years $60 million Marlon Mack: long-term extension around 4 years $30 million Aaron Jones: Potential for another Gordon/LeVeon type of situation James Connor: should let him play out his contract and re-evaluate Chris Carson: Let him play out his contract Joe Mixon: Let him play out his contract before likely re-signing him Tarik Cohen: -shrugs- Kareem Hunt, Austin Ekeler, and Matt Breida: likely re-signed to short-term deals Devonta Freeman, Dion Lewis, and Jerick McKinnon: likely cap casualties in the offseason

Their defense has become good since acquiring Peters. Before that, they were around 20th in the league while the Ravens offense has been #1 or #2 from the beginning of the year to now, and that is undoubtedly primarily because of Lamar's skills. The Bills' offense on the other hand has held the team back.

Isaiah’s dad interviewed with someone. Long story short, he said he (father) liked Syracuse and Kentucky and that Isaiah liked Alabama and Kentucky. That doesn’t sound good at all.

I can't remember a more tight-lipped recruitment than this one. I know at least as of a few days ago, our coaching staff thought we were in a good position for him, but it's been radio silent ever since, and my other connections say they haven't heard anything in weeks. I don't really know what to think. I'm assuming he isn't coming here just to not get my hopes up, but if I were the optimistic type: Nate Oats made some public comments the other day that seemed to imply his 2020 recruiting efforts were all for naught and that 2021 was the bigger priority. He also recently went to visit at least one other big man prospect, which could mean he doesn't think Isaiah is going there. It seems like we usually know well in advance when Kentucky is expecting a commitment and that obviously isn't the case here. They too have been focusing on other big men (but then again, it's Kentucky...they try to get as many guys as humanly possible every year). I also keep coming back to the fact that we had basically given up on Isaiah and then he reached out to us to express that he was very interested in coming here. I think we have a better chance than the media is giving us credit for (which is a 0% chance), but again, I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll continue to assume he isn't coming here until I hear otherwise.

I always take games like Sidibe and Dolezaj's today with a grain of salt. Not sure some of the finishes they had today don't get pinned to the backboard against ACC competition, but it was definitely a promising development. Sidibe continues to look much, much healthier than he has the past couple years and he was a pretty productive player (albeit in limited minutes) before the injuries originally crept in. Hopefully he continues to play well moving forwards. Girard hasn't even shot the ball very well so far, especially relative to expectations, but his ball-handling looks legitimately above average, and on this team, that makes him the clear best ball-handler. And since he's such a threat off the ball, his presence as point guard allows the ball to move a lot more rather than sticking to guys' hands. Boeheim and Hughes showed off much more well-rounded games than they get credit for last night too.

As someone that watches almost all Bucs games, this has probably been his best season to date. Simply put, he's been pretty much terrible each season of his career. The belief was that he just wasn't a good fit for the zone defense that Tampa used his first few years and that using him as more of a press corner the way he succeeded in college would turn his game around, hence picking up his option. Instead, he's continued to be bad.