Kelly the Dog

Cleveland thought they had their QB and now they don’t know. The Jets thought they had their QB and now they don’t know. Tampa thought they had their QB and now they don’t know. Tennessee thought they had their QB and now they don’t know.

And it's a PR disaster, as well as horrible for the guy. You cannot be that naive to the unique distinction.

Because Player A telling you I don't want to play for you means zero to just about every team, because they will just play and have to deal with it. If Josh Gordon says he doesn't want to, and you do it any way, and he gets in trouble again, you look like garbage, not to mention that your team is worse off than not taking him, and you had been warned. He's already said he wants to land in a good supportive environment.

Gordon should let teams know he doesn’t want to play for. He’s in unique position.

Good point. Ha.

I already noted they were short yardage plays total. Which teams and QBs do all the time and it’s incredibly dumb.

10 incompletions out of context is worthless. If he is down by 18 points and throwing screen passes for completions, or dumps offs, or 6 yards to the TE over the middle, or other equally worthless passes he is going to be completing a lot more passes but even less of a chance to win.

Just want to say thanks to the OP Mango for all the work and putting it out there for all of us to make our own conclusions, if any, from it. That's a great service to the board.

I took that as Grossi wondering for the first time if Mayfield has mental toughness in him. But maybe he has questioned it before. I understand he’s questioned his abilities a lot before.

I was. And was apparently wrong. Although most of it was because I thought Mayfair was pretty good (not really good) but would be gone, Darnold was a turnover machine, and hadn’t really watched Allen. Plus I figured if we drafted Rosen I could buy a jersey and when he sucked after three years or didn’t want to re-sign with us the jersey would not be in the trash heap like so many others. I did also float the idea of drafting Lamar Jackson at 12 and keeping the extra 1 for another player. I also didn’t like Rosen at all after his second last year but liked him a lot in his last UCLA year, so it wasn’t the name. And the Greatest Jewish Sports Heroes pamphlet isn’t very long.

If you look at that picture closely, Bellichick is cheating a little to the left.

Only not as legit.

And so far he hasn't Rosened the board.

***** gonna dictate.

These are my personal faves.

Thx Joe. Yeah they need to stack some right now. I think they probably blow one of these.

Thanks, Hap. Yeah, I tried to say it's impossible to know for sure about the playcalls but there is still room for obvious criticism when warranted.

Buh-bye! You're serious I hope. Right?

I will give you that, and that it was a bad look, and there should not be any of that on the field. I was only talking about him being perceived as a lousy or even overrated CB, and that fans use that play as evidence that he wasn't good or that he gave up and could have stopped it. None of that was true. He couldn't have stopped Hogan by that time. Bad look, not bad play or player.

I think Sanders avoided tackling way more than Gilmore.

Yup. It came out clear after the game that it was not his fault. He never would have ran the way he did if he was one on one with Hogan.

That was one of the plays the fans overreacted on. He was supposed to have over the top support on that play. He turned around not to deflect blame but more to wonder why the defense called wasn't followed and how that happened.

That's just not true IMO. He used to not wrap guys up, and they would sometimes break tackles. He would come in and lower his shoulder into receivers or runners instead of tackling them. But it was very often NOT avoiding contact, it was avoiding tackling. If anything he was more likely to get hurt like that than less.

He was way better than people give him credit for in Buffalo. Much of the criticism was stupid. He did, however, GREATLY benefit on New England for already having been in the league for 4-5 years, so he was now getting veteran calls from the refs, combined with getting Patriot calls from the refs, which makes an enormous difference in his production. He was very good on the Bills though.

And yet that is true about every team that hasn't won anything in the last 10-20 years as well as teams that have. The 49ers are very good right now but they made as many bonehead mistakes as the Browns, were horrible for years on end, and worse than the Bills. The Bills made a lot of awful decisions and yet were never completely awful like numerous teams have been in that same time