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That's odd. He's had a great season IMO. One of his lesser talent Ravens teams that shouldn't even be in playoff contention. If they really want to wipe the slate clean with a new regime I guess that's the owner's prerogative. But I really don't see Harbaugh being the problem. Maybe they like what the DC has done making them a top defense. Or the OC gelling a new tailored offense for Lamar Jackson.

Ozzie's in retirement mode. He's probably phasing himself out already by this point. Mentoring someone I suppose, but it's pretty clear to the organization he's not going to be very hands on as a GM like he used to be. Don't know about John Harbaugh, I'd assume they'd keep him. I mean the Ravens don't look bad at all. They might not have the talent they've had with their better teams in the past (again Ozzie), but they're playing well.. don't see any trouble in paradise other than a slow start, Lamar Jackson outperforming Flacco, and Ozzie having less impact. Looks like a relatively smooth change for Baltimore if this season is a changing of the guard.

hard to see it not being Andy Reid. Sean Payton is certainly up for consideration for voters though right? I think it's a really tough call. A lot of breakout regular season teams that aren't the usual suspects that are absolutely dominating in a club of their own at the top of the power rankings. Lesser teams can't catch even a break this year. Those teams are so good "any given sunday" doesn't even seem to apply to them. More like any given Sunday they might have not have a blowout

haha ya think? That's what I was saying. Especially being on the forum exposes you to reinforcing bias, even subconsciously. You read 100 different posters regurgitating the same thoughts you'll think "huh they're probably right" and then you make 101 regurgitating that thought. And on and on the self reinforcement cycle goes. We go bananas over EJ and JP and Tyrod early, and follow the mob when it starts to turn.. but ONLY when 40-50% of posters hop on does the snowball start rolling to the opposite side where Tyrod doesn't even belong in the league to some.. silly thought. All leads to a total black and white perspective.

ESPN is pretty crappy journalism. But I think most of the national media consensus (post Allen injury games) is they were wrong in their initial assessment (if they doubted) and he does have enormous potential if not admitting that JA has already materialized much potential into genuine talent already in his rookie season. I thought the Ringer article, which is much a better journalism source, someone posted last week did a great job admitting their notions of JA were smashed by his recent performances and it was pretty high praise for JA. Naturally we smashed the article for not knowing JA was great the second he was drafted.. I mean even when they do show change in pre-conceived notions we dismiss it haha. I agree quality journalism shouldn't hold onto pre-conceived notions, and they often do hold onto them.. but that's not to say it isn't out there if you look past ESPN and other mega media conglomerates that don't really bother with writing as a revenue stream.. preferring videos (angry runs lol) instead.

We are far more knowledgeable on the Bills than a national media sports writer. Duh... Why we don't understand that and take issues nitpicking wrong points instead of trying to seek out subjective opinions outside of our bias, I'll never know. These guys don't have an agenda against the Bills they hardly give a flying ****. It's nice to get our heads out of the sand for some fresh perspective outside of this perpetually self reinforcing mob mentality culture. He doesn't know JA nearly as well as we do. We don't know other quarterbacks all around the league over several years nearly as much as he does. Read an article/news source/anything with some sort of reasonable expectation on the writer's bias, knowledge, and potential gaps in knowledge we are far more privy to, and take it with a grain of salt and see if there's any takeaway points. Or never read anything you disagree with. National media hardly ever bothers with the Bills. For me it's great when they do to get some fresh opinions, regardless of if I agree or disagree.. I know how the general football world sees us. All that said, I think ESPN does suck in general with their writers. It's not their revenue model, they cut corners, and it shows. I'll read anything national media on the Bills but ESPN is probably at the bottom of my list of national media.

And Peterson's obviously regarded by many as best in the business.

Taron Johnson was amazing when he played. Hope it's no flash in the pan.

Top 3? I'd be hard pressed to find a duo that's even close to White and Peterson. Jax and Rams (when healthy) wouldn't beat em. Maybe best since Chris Harris Jr and Aqib Talib's no fly zone

Hehe sure. Just don't yell straw man to defend negative opininated ambiguity in your posts followed by "what I REALLY meant was..." Moving the goalpost

false dichotomy. You need to revisit high school english. You can just say what you meant to say, or you can mislead with a post of implications.. providing an opinion. "I don't care where he lives....as long as he stops crying in public about how "bad" his former employer is treating him, despite the fact that they no longer employ him. EDIT He didn't mind taking their millions for not playing football." That's not a very clear post that you believe his sense of entitlement has led him to goofy beef. Not exactly an airtight "argument". But has total ambiguity subject to interpretation that you're not pleased with him taking "millions for not playing football".. you literally just added that as an edit for no reason. The original post was fine. See how you have a negative slant on that sentence? The way you word things is how they get interpreted. That sentence is not painted as an argument, it's an opinion I can disagree and make points as to why I disagree with it, not why you aren't entitled to your opinion. I'm not wrong about why I think he can take the money and give reasons for it.. because I'm not rebutting an argument: no straw man going on. But you can move the goal post on what you really mean after the fact and retroactively claim straw man. Context is everything in written communication. Don't bring logical argument fallacies on a disagreement with a single sentence you made.

You don't know what straw man argument means. This very reply is ironic in being straw man. You didn't give an argument you gave an opinion on his character. There's no straw man if there's no argument. Him "taking millions" as you put it is no reflection on someones character. He was paid millions. Didn't steal it. Everything I posted is my opinion on why he's entitled to the money and this has nothing to do with the reflection of his character in this particular context

Come down to Dallas bud. It's where Oklahomans go to.. get out of bumf*** nowhere USA

Honestly? Not a bad move for either team. Jax would be much better with Joe. Ravens and most other teams probably like what they have at the position. Now they just need to salary dump Bortles somehow

Absolutely. I thought he should have started week 1. I also thought we should have rolled out with better camp competition to begin with so Allen had a bit more competition to earn his job. Him backed up a horrible Quarterback he was better than was like the worst developmental lesson possible IMO. I guess none of it really mattered. The QB mess to start the season. The bad supporting caste. All that with Allen still balling out early in his career has me all the more impressed with him. He had all the excuses not to be impressive his rookie year and he's been more than impressive.

Oh yeah I forgot players forcibly take money, return money they are given when they have career ending injuries, and it comes out of Mr. WEO's pocket. Forgot that was precedent. He must have loved having a career ending injury. Go watch cubicle jockeys type at a desk if you're only interested in watching people earn their money rather than entertain for money. You helped pay his salary as an NFL watcher dude. I guess I forgot what capitalism means. What an *** for taking money! Who does that. I always return my day's salary. Literally has nothing to do with this.

I.. respectfully disagree. Way more games that were virtually unwatchable this season compared to last. The Vikings game was about as lucky as you can get the way we were playing the first half of the season. We couldn't get first downs for entire halfs. Ya just can't start the season in a hole like that. We didn't last year. We weren't great. And it's mostly the O-Line depletion as others have mentioned IMO, coupled with inexperienced quarterback play to start the season. We didn't have a chance this year. If JA was starting all year at the level he's played post injury then I'd side with you. We look better this side of the half. But I'm not counting our Dolphins game as a close loss. That was a desperation miracle JA came up in a superb broken play to make it close. We started the season winning games we should win in control, and ended the same way. But we weren't looking at 3-7 through 10 games. Your season is judged by how quickly you are written out of the playoff race for me.

It's super funny and a joke that has definitely not gotten old after 5+ years of repetition.

I wouldn't take anything away from Russell Wilson though. He may not always put up the numbers, but he compensates for so many deficiencies around him on offense, he and Pete Carroll together are a big reason they seem to consistently get by with so little. he's being modest

Yep probably easier to hire a coach who knows when and how to blitz than teach a DC the ropes on rushing someone other than your 4. Feels like Frazier will have to hit the books on this one. "what the heck is this darn "blitz" thing McDermott keeps suggesting I run??" //checks wikipedia

I assume he's saying we could have acquired the same talent without trading up and getting someone else rounds 2 or staying pat for a LB.. feels after Edmunds and LVE LB would have been a reach where we were at if they were taken. I can't think of what linebackers at the spot we were in or after are looking better (and I can't get to this list either) but I assume Edmunds is behind LVE and I can't think of any other rookie LBs that have outperformed Edmunds. But that's assuming Edmunds and LVE get taken before we'd have picked. I'd assume one of those guys would have been available anyway if we stayed pat. Wondering since it seems like the Cowboys were sold on LVE over Edmunds from the get go that we could have gotten Edmunds without trading up. Idk if any other teams had a burning desire for a LB between. It's splitting hairs, we traded up for the guy we wanted obviously and it was important enough not to wait for him to fall anymore.

Alshon Jeffrey and Evans and young Gronk and others. When they can high point a ball with the best of them, the it's so unfair to undersized corners. I only want one of this type but this type is awesome to have if your QB can use it. Also Mike Evans is more than fast enough to do everything for a no. 1. Alshon Jeffrey not so much but he's still have the reason Nick Foles' could drop bombs to him with ease the entire playoff run.

I thought Maxx Williams was going to be a fantasy monster every year he started out healthy. Is he not gelling with Flacco? Or has injury problems? I used to think he was the bomb but feels like he's underperformed in a TE friendly system.

what?? that's the worst thing to say to your kicker. Jesus Thurman haha.

haha there's so much ODB in this.