MJS

Sounds like he is following the protocol. That's great news. He is getting tested daily.

Yeah, I know it's not effective, but Ben is going to get rid of the ball if he thinks he will get hit, regardless of effectiveness. He isn't the Big Ben of 2010 anymore where he can make throws with defenders hanging on him, or shrugging off defenders to extend the play.

Ben throws the ball in like 1 second these days. Doesn't always get much out of it, but he isn't going to take a beating. He'd rather lose than get hit a bunch of times. Can't call him "Big Ben" anymore? Should it be "Skinny Ben"?

Those are some rose colored glasses. 10 or 11 wins? I don't see that. Maybe 8 or 9.

I just watch it for a completely different reason. I want to see the new additions in action and I want to see how depth players are developing.

I think this topic has been discussed to death.

Won't stop them from trying and making those claims.

So we are sure he was not on the injury report?

My hope is a defensive lineman. Ed Oliver would be great. Or one of the young edge rushers. But I'll guess Devin Singletary.

I'm glad Ray didn't come through. That wouldn't have been good.

They are basically the same except Knox has an up side. I really don't understand the point. Do you think good teams don't have average players? Are they supposed to be all pro bowlers? Average players are depth on good teams. His numbers are not impressive. He's not a starter. The only reason people are excited is because he went to school with Allen and people are sick of Knox. Again, I'm not saying Knox is great. He hasn't been great. His numbers are also unimpressive. Ideally, I'd like a better TE than both of them.

I don't think it is interesting, actually. He is a depth TE. Average TE's are good to have on your team. Better than bad TE's.

Agreed. Man I hate it when people bring up CTE anytime a player does something wrong.

He isn't above average in receiving production. Anything else is just guesswork.

That is true, for sure, but we don't have anyone who can consistently produce sacks on the defensive line. And I trust McDermott to scrounge together an effective secondary. That's kind of his specialty. But a good 2nd CB would be nice. I just wouldn't want two of the highest paid corners in the league to achieve that, especially if we have to give up a 1st round pick for that.

And I don't think that's a given, personally. Yeah, if you want to split hairs with certain metrics, but they have been very similar the past couple of years in actual production. I don't think Knox is a great TE, I just don't think Hollister is an upgrade.

Yeah, if we go for a difference maker I would not target an area of strength on the team. We have our elite corner. Go for something we don't have, like an elite pass rusher, or an elite TE.

Hopefully the Bills are in "win all the time" mode and not in "win now" mode. There's no reason the window for this team cannot remain wide open.

Allen threw two TD's on him when we played them last year. One was to Diggs and he had pretty decent coverage on him. I don't remember who the other one was to, but I believe Josh looked Ramsey off, Ramsey bit and left his man, and then Allen threw it to the guy he was supposed to be covering. Pretty sure he was so out of position that they didn't count that TD against him, though. But it was totally his fault. I think Ramsey is overrated. He is sort of boom or bust. Makes some great plays, but gives up big plays sometimes too. I prefer White who is very fundamentally sound and much more consistent. Yes, White gets beat sometimes, but he is usually right in the hip pocket of the defender regardless. In that Rams game White was tricked by the scheme a couple times and out of position, but that is rare for him.

We have to remember that as fans watching the game, we often have better views of the QB and other things than the players do themselves. Not everyone on the defense has a view of the QB and can read his body language, especially when they are trying to focus on their individual assignments. Often your focus is on the player right across from you and how you will beat that player. So certain things that we pick up from our eye in the sky might take longer down in the trenches, but absolutely players pick up stuff like that. And I'm sure that there are coaches and personnel that are looking for those things and pass them on when they see them as well. If it's anything like last year, they pretty much pass it every single time anyway.

Hmm, well I never knew much about Sherman or his schooling. I didn't even know he went to Stanford. I learned all of that stuff later, and it confirmed to me what I already saw in him. I can't speak for everyone, though.

The way he conducts himself in interviews, the way he is able to get under the skin of opponents, etc. He represents himself in contract negotiations. He was an excellent student athlete. I'm not saying he is a genius, just that he seems a cut above the general NFL player.

I have never thought he came across as a "thug". I don't know where you are getting that from. He is a polarizing player, for sure, but he has always appeared to be very intelligent and calculated. Seems like he messed up, though.

I don't really think it accounts for much, personally. It comes down to his ability to get open and make plays. Low sample size. Knox is already producing as much or more than Hollister has on other teams. And that's exactly what this is for Bills fans. That's why they are enamored. He is the unknown player. The grass is always greener on the other side. Personally, I like Knox's upside potential. Both players are already producing equivalent stats, so I would devote more attention to the younger, more physically gifted player in Knox, personally. But who knows? Maybe everyone's dream of Hollister being the next big thing will be realized. There is always a chance.

I'd take him over Sweeney in a heartbeat. Sweeney is a late round project player who the odds have always been stacked against actually developing into a starter. We've seen TE's continue to be effective late into their 30's.