Stank_Nasty

Dont get it twisted... the Fins are still right on our heels and are poised to takeover the east for the next decade, at least! - Probably @Gene1973

Right. that wasnt my original point anyways. but whatever.

One of my very best friends started 40 games(2 bowl games) at kent st while blocking for Josh cribbs and then Julian edelman.... we've had plenty of lifts in together where he harkens back to those days and talks about how edelman and other skills guys rarely lifted a finger inside a gym during their years playing football together. I think you are overestimating the required lifting at some of these D1 schools...and thats just a quick firsthand account. Allen said in an interview last year on McAfee that he hit low 90's from the mound weighing in at 180 in highschool. Most, if not all, of that arm is gifted.

Heres Florio and Simms breaking down an summarizing that interview on their show....

you're being serious with this?

Well I’m 37. So close enough. I agree 100%. There are times I get caught up in the “win now” or “Super Bowl or bust” mindset and have to check myself. Remind myself to just enjoy as much of it as possible.

He’s bigger now than he ever was in college. And that’s happened, by his own admission, without hitting traditional upper body work. I would be willing to bet he didn’t hit many traditional upper body moves in college either. His upper body really isn’t all that developed and wasn’t when he came in. Generally you don’t do anything that could screw with a with an arm like that other than general maintenance/mobility and some posterior shoulder/upper back work to help with arm deceleration/injury prevention. I’m confident the bills knew that when they put him into their own program coming into the league. …. But I come on here to specifically not talk about work. So that’ll be that for me. Right?!? One of the best and most in depth football interviews I’ve ever watched. Very cool look into Allen and his game.

Well 2 days ago on nfl network mike giardi said staff was raving about him the whole time he had been there. Add that to the fact that we didn’t see a whole lot of him in games and I would guess they’ve got some planned hidden gems with his name on it coming up.

I’m a fitness pro by trade. Working with numerous high school and college athletes. It’s not hard to believe he doesn’t train much upper body. His proportions would hint towards that. He’s a large dude but not overly impressive from an aesthetic standpoint up top. There’s plenty of athletes that are just so friggin naturally strong or have such elite control of their bodies and leverages that it’s hard to believe they can achieve what they do with minimal lifting. Other than routine “arm care”/mobility work, my pitchers and the handful of qb’s I’ve worked with dont get much in the way of traditional upper body strength training. With somebody that gifted you really don’t wanna screw with much up top other than keeping things healthy and mobile. But, just like he said, they get plenty of lower body/hip work along with trunk rotation work.

ooofff... you must have posted this as i was writing out the same thread. darnit.

I'm assuming this is what they'll be taking tid bits from for the pregame show next week. Really cool look into multiple topics. -In depth talk about Josh's mechanics. -His approach to wr option routes in which simms says he's never heard of before. -How many times a game he truly unleashes his arm and when he figured out he needed to pick and choose when to do it. -Really cool talk about his approach to scramble/broken plays. -When Mcdermott ultimately tossed him the keys to the car. Its fairly long at 33 minutes but once it got rolling it was real easy to sit through. I highly recommend.

Mccourty started the segment saying the same thing. He was just a bit more PC with it.

right. at this point the "because bellicheck" explanation for how they will just automatically be a solid team is a very tired and frankly just a very lazy analysis of that team.

I would argue he was way less consistent last year, as a whole, compared to 2020. I get your argument for consistency is hmm having 2 good years in a row. I guess what I’m saying is last year in and of itself had more ebbs. But, with that being said, he also went completely nuclear in the playoffs last year and had arguably the best 2 game stretch ever. So does anyone know when the voting actually happens?

First reaction for anyone with common sense and level head is to just let it play out and not jump to a conclusion one way or another at first news…. I know know, it’s such a novel way of handling things in todays environment

I personally think the floor is probably lower than that. I would be less surprised with them winning only 4 or 5 games than I would be if they somehow snuck into the playoffs again.

did the local message board etiquette critic just post 2 of the same video? ..... but anyhow. thanks for the vids.

no i'm seeming to think you have issues comprehending whats actually being said in the article and its really odd. its weird to me that your personal grudge against a writer is warping what you think is being said in this article. but you do you, my guy. the guys raises good points about how the bills will earn a better record this year and how they were a better team than record would indicate last year and somehow you're using what he said or didnt say 5 years ago to warp it into something its not.... super odd.

do you go through other portions of your life just trying to look for slights that arent there? hopefully its just with the bills. he goes on to say its a flukey play and no reflection of Allens play... why bother questioning the playcall? allen was 13 of 14 in that situation up to that point. this is actually a complementary piece. your thought process on this is really odd.

he literally references the bills adding miller to the line and the talks about the slip. Its basically like you didnt read it at all.... but thanks for the input.... i guess. "If the Bills had been able to pull out the closest of those five one-score games during the regular season, they might not have needed overtime at all. They were forced to play in Kansas City in the divisional round because they lost from a dominant position against Tennessee. Trailing 34-31 with 22 seconds to go, they sent Allen out on a fourth-and-1 quarterback sneak to try to win the game from the 3-yard line, only for Allen to be stopped by Jeffery Simmons. Allen otherwise has gone 13-of-14 on fourth-and-1 situations, with an aborted snap against the Jets as the only other blemish on his record. This was bad timing (and a great play by Simmons) as opposed to something meaningful about Allen being unable to perform in important moments, as we saw with his incredible play against the Chiefs in the fourth quarter during the postseason."

thank you. i thought i made that pretty friggin obvious

bro, its an article. i copy and pasted the bills section. literally supplied the link and said who wrote it in the title...... but okay... i guess...

Good read on the flukey nature of a handful of last years losses for the squad and how a regression back towards the mean should naturally mean a better outcome. Interesting numbers and what i found to be a solid offseason read. A little food for thought i guess.... https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/34435650/predicting-nfl-teams-most-likely-improve-2022-numbers-history-show-bills-broncos-jaguars-lions-ravens-win-more-games This is one of my favorite weeks every year, as I'm starting my annual look into the NFL teams most likely to improve or decline during the upcoming season. It's time to take a closer look into what happened a year ago and use history to help project the most surprising teams in 2022. Heading into last season, despite their 1-5-1 record in games decided by seven points or fewer, the Bengals narrowly missed out on the list of teams most likely to improve. Given that this column identified the 2017 Eagles and 2019 49ers as major improvers before they made their own runs to the Super Bowl, not including the Bengals was disappointing. The good news is the five teams mentioned in last year's column all improved, gaining an average of 2.9 wins per 17 games on their 2020 records. (The move from 16 to 17 games means that many of the stats mentioned in this column are a little more torturous to discuss than they were before.) The 49ers and Eagles both went from last place to the playoffs, while the Broncos, Falcons and Jaguars each made smaller strides. In all, 20 of the 25 teams mentioned in this piece over the past five seasons have improved the following season, rising by an average of 3.1 wins per 17 games. I'll hit my five favorites for 2022 below, including teams at the top and bottom of the league. I'll even include an honorable mention for a team that undoubtedly would have been included in this list if it had merely avoided a foolish mistake this offseason. On Wednesday, I'll hit the five teams most likely to decline. As is the case every year, this list relies on statistical measures of performance that have a track record of predicting improvement or decline in the following season(s). Let's start with a team with Super Bowl aspirations: Buffalo Bills (11-6) The Bills are a perfect example of how luck and small sample events can play a dramatic role on a team's record from year to year. Here's where they ranked in a number of key categories between 2020 and 2021. I won't include their win-loss record, but using the data below, would you guess they had a better record last season or in 2020? 2021 Bills Vs. 2020 Bills STAT 2020 2021 DVOA 4 2 FPI 6 2 SRS 5 2 Point Differential 5 1 Points For 2 3 Points Against 16 1 Strength of Schedule (by DVOA) 22 32 Turnover Margin 10 7 The 2020 Bills went 13-3. The 2021 Bills, who were markedly better on a play-by-play and drive-by-drive basis across the board while playing an easier schedule, lost three more games. What changed is how they performed in games decided by seven points or fewer. The 2020 Bills went 4-1 in those close games, which helped get them onto last year's list as one of the teams most likely to decline. The 2021 Bills went 0-5 in those same games. Their performance in one-score games didn't regress to the mean; it regressed all the way past the mean. It's almost impossible to be as good as they were in 2021 without winning the close ones. Since 1989, only one other team posted a winning record while failing to win a single game by seven points or fewer, when the Super Bowl-winning Rams went 0-3 in those contests in 1999. (They proceeded to win the NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl by a combined 12 points.) Buffalo, of course, famously did not win a close game in the postseason. After blowing out the Patriots in the wild-card round, it lost an instant classic to the Chiefs despite taking back the lead twice inside the final two minutes. Josh Allen & Co. didn't get a chance to touch the ball in overtime, leading to complaints their season came down to a coin flip. If the Bills had been able to pull out the closest of those five one-score games during the regular season, they might not have needed overtime at all. They were forced to play in Kansas City in the divisional round because they lost from a dominant position against Tennessee. Trailing 34-31 with 22 seconds to go, they sent Allen out on a fourth-and-1 quarterback sneak to try to win the game from the 3-yard line, only for Allen to be stopped by Jeffery Simmons. Allen otherwise has gone 13-of-14 on fourth-and-1 situations, with an aborted snap against the Jets as the only other blemish on his record. This was bad timing (and a great play by Simmons) as opposed to something meaningful about Allen being unable to perform in important moments, as we saw with his incredible play against the Chiefs in the fourth quarter during the postseason. If we're looking for other reasons the Bills might post a better record in 2022, an improved season from Allen is high on the list. He looked like the best player on the field during his two near-perfect postseason performances, but those most recent memories mask what had been a frustrating season. Allen continued to be an impactful runner, but after an incredible breakout season in 2020, his completion percentage, yards per attempt, interception rate and passer rating were all at or below league average last regular season. Weather was a concern at times, most memorably in the whipping winds against the Patriots in November, but Allen averaged 5.6 yards per attempt and threw two picks in a loss at lowly Jacksonville. He threw for 120 yards and three picks against the Falcons in a game in which Matt Ryan, playing against the league's best defense, averaged 8.6 yards per attempt. Allen won't be as dominant as he was during that postseason run, but he'll be better than the guy we saw struggle at times during the regular season. The Bills also might be able to count on a step forward from their special teams, which slipped from fourth in the league in DVOA in 2020 to 19th a year ago. Matt Haack ranked as the worst punter in the league by Puntalytics's metrics. A blocked punt in the opener cost the Bills in a narrow loss to the Steelers, and they ranked 31st in net yards gained per punt. They responded by using a draft pick on "Punt God" Matt Araiza, who boomed a kick 82 yards for a touchback during his first preseason appearance. Haack was released on Monday, which means this is Araiza's job and Buffalo should be better punting in 2022. When I talk about punter as a likely place to improve, you know the Bills don't have many problems on their roster. This is an organization with an excellent recent track record of drafting and developing young talent. It wouldn't be a surprise if we saw wide receiver Gabriel Davis and offensive linemen Ryan Bates and Spencer Brown take leaps forward in their first full seasons as starters. And while the Bills were forced to shed veterans for cap purposes this offseason, I'm not sure they're going to actually be much worse. Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Star Lotulelei and Daryl Williams are all still free agents. Mario Addison and Jerry Hughes signed modest deals with the Texans. Jon Feliciano signed a one-year deal with the Giants. Those players played meaningful roles over the past couple of seasons when healthy, but the most prominent player the Bills lost is cornerback Levi Wallace. They used those savings to import guard Rodger Saffold and future Hall of Fame edge rusher Von Miller, the latter of whom was dominant during the postseason. Miller posted an absurd 41.5% pass rush win rate (PRWR) during the Rams' march to the Super Bowl, racking up 4.5 sacks and forcing 15 incomplete passes. The Bills might not love the Miller deal in a year or two, but he still has enough in the tank to be a difference-maker in 2022. I'm more concerned about the departure of offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, who helped mold Allen from a meme into a superstar. The schedule will be tougher, with the Bills projected to face the league's 11th-toughest slate, per the Football Outsiders Almanac. It will be tough to ask the defense to improve beyond its first-place ranking in both points allowed and DVOA. I'm not sure Buffalo actually will play better on a snap-by-snap basis than it did in 2021. I just think it will get better results

Ohhhh. I do remember him on the jets for a hot minute there. Conductor of the Robbie Anderson/Mims hype train if I remember correctly. Thank you for this. Had totally forgotten.