BigDingus

I wouldn't be so sure... People are now saying stuff like that about Josh, but it's obviously not true. It's not like he's only getting his numbers late in the 4th quarter during blowouts against 2nd team defenses... He's accumulating those stats naturally through the progression of each game. Remember when Josh apparently couldn't win 1 score games? People were saying Kirk was a choker, but he lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks last year. Also, it's not like he fell apart in their playoff game last year. He did about all he could do. 31/39 for 273 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's, 112.9 RTG, with the game tied 24 - 24 in the 4th quarter. Giants go on to get another TD, and the rest is history. Not saying he's amazing, but he's still a top 10 QB easily.

OJ Simpson. He wore small gloves.

I understand where you're coming from, I guess I'm just not that confident in Carr or the Saints, even if the division is weak right now. I think of the Saints more like the Commanders from a few years ago who played the Bucs in the first round. You're right about the QB contract issue, but out of the poll options, Derek Carr is the who I'm least confident in performing up to that contract. Daniel Jones seems like the easy pick, but Daboll got the most out of him in that offense, and he actually won a playoff game. Derek Carr was given the best WR in the league & did worse than the year prior. I bet if Jones was given Davante Adams this year, he'd take another big leap. Or I could just be way too down on Derek Carr after last season & be entirely off base.

I don't see how Derek Carr is the lowest on the list... Not saying he's bad, but nearly $40 million a year for Derek Carr? That's a crazy risk imo. I'm really pulling for him & hope he does well, but I'm just not sure they wouldn't have been better off grabbing a journeyman to fill the spot until they can find a better option.

It's so wild seeing Lubbock, TX on a big TV series like this... But then again, it's half the reason I wanted the Bills to draft Mahomes back in the day. The city is crazy passionate about football, but isn't the big market that the other Texas giants are. Was hoping the city would become Bills fans overnight, so I'd finally not be the only Bills guy in town. Now the whole damn city & every Texas Tech alumni in the state is wearing Chiefs jerseys... disgusting. It's hard to go back & visit Tech anymore seeing all the red & yellow everywhere 🤮

Exactly! And remember, it wasn't long ago that teams wouldn't draft QB's who didn't play under center in college. QB's who played most of their snaps from shotgun & in spread offenses were seen as "system QB's" and treated like lepers. Defenses were more limited, offensive philosophies changed, and numbers went through the roof. As a Texas Tech alumni, our QB's were all viewed as "system" QB's... Everyone from Kliff Kingsbury to Graham Harrell weren't taken seriously. Then the league evolved, and spread offenses became widely adopted in the NFL. Texas Tech QB's suddenly weren't a pariah, and 3 QB's who started their careers at Tech went on to be drafted (Baker Mayfield, Davis Webb, Patrick Mahomes). I'm not saying all this to discredit Josh, but all you have to do is look at QB passing numbers in Peyton's first 5 years vs those in Josh's first 5 years to see there's a MASSIVE difference in how the game is played.

But are we better than the Chiefs? There are 32 teams in the league, all with a couple good players. To have 4-5 players on there is definitely not something to scoff at.

Is it an online subscription? Can't you just create a new email address & account to get that price? Or is this a physical newspaper subscription?

This is only partially true. Just look at the passing leaders for Manning's first 4 years compared to Josh's: 1998: #1 ) Brett Favre - 4,212 yards / 31 TD's / 23 INT's #2) Steve Young - 4,170 yards / 36 TD's / 12 INT's (they were the only 2 players with 4,000 yards, and only 1 more had 30+ TD's) 2018: #1) Big Ben - 5,129 yards / 34 TD's / 16 INT's #2) Mahomes - 5,097 yards / 50 TD's / 12 INT's (plus 10 more players with over 4,000 yards & 7 more players with 30+ TD's) ******************************* 1999: #1) Steve Beurelein - 4,436 yards / 36 TD's / 15 INT's #2) Kurt Warner - 4,353 yards / 41 TD's 13 INT's (plus 3 more players with 4,000 yards, and nobody else with 30+ TD's) 2019: #1) Jameis Winston (LOL) - 5,109 yards / 33 TD's / 30 INT's #2) Dak Prescott - 4,902 yards / 30 TD's / 11 INT's (plus 9 more players with 4,000 yards, and 3 more with 30+ TD's) ******************************* 2000: #1) Peyton Manning - 4,413 yards / 33 TD's / 15 INT's #2) Jeff Garcia - 4,278 yards / 31 TD's / 10 INT's (plus 1 more player with 4,000 yards, and 1 more with 30+ TD's) 2020: #1) Deshaun Watson - 4,823 yards / 33 TD's / 7 INT's #2) Mahomes - 4,740 yards / 38 TD's / 6 INT's Bonus: Aaron Rodgers - 4,299 yards / 48 TD's / 5 INT's (plus 9 more with 4,000 yards, and 8 more with 30+ TD's...including 3 with 40+ TD's) ******************************* 2001: #1) Kurt Warner - 4,830 yards / 36 TD's / 22 INT's #2) Peyton Manning - 4,131 yards / 26 TD's / 23 INT's (0 more with 4,000 yards, and 2 more with 30+ TD's) 2021: #1) Tom Brady - 5,316 yards / 43 TD's / 12 INT's #2) Justin Herbert - 5,014 yards / 38 TD's / 15 INT's (plus 8 more with 4,000 yards, and 7 more with 30+ TD's) ******************************* So the league was MASSIVELY different in Manning's early career compared to Josh. Of the above years I compared, 1999 was the only year 5 players breaking 4,000 yards... In 2001, only TWO players did that. Zero QB's broke 40 TD's besides Warner in '99, but today you have QB's breaking 5,000 yards & 50 TD's! And that's only comparing passing stats! If you add rushing, QB's today go even crazier. Efficiency has also gone up a ton (aside from Jameis Winson). In 2001, both passing leaders had over 20 INT's to go with their 4,000 yard seasons. Today, Josh is known as a "turnover machine" with 15 INT's + 6 fumbles. Aaron Rodgers threw for 48 TD's to 5 INT's! Again, the rule changes aren't the issue. It's the offenses, playcalling & coaches that have changed, combined with the people playing QB compared to 20 years ago.

The Chiefs just won a Super Bowl, and they only have 5 on the list. If we kept Edmunds, we'd also have 5.

Yeah, it's a pretty silly reaction. I try to be honest, but lately I've noticed myself hold back my real opinion on certain things just to avoid that kind of whiny response. Then again, I understand an online message board is probably where the most diehard fans & biggest homers hangout, so it kind of comes with the territory.

Well thanks for jinxing him... the same year he's on the cover of Madden too!

Again? Didn't they already finish their season? Now I'm confused...

BBMB closed like 7 years ago... so you average what, 10 posts a year? Guessing even if your post count did carry over, that'd bump you up to around 150 posts combined 😆

I didn't even realize the USFL was in season. Whoops.

This thread is another symptom of the mindset "QB gets credited for everything," regardless of good or bad. To say "Tyrod got us to the playoffs" feels dirty. He will always have my thanks for contributing to that, but leading the league's 1st or 2nd worst passing offense for years doesn't quite feel worthy of crediting him for sneaking into the playoffs, especially when it ultimately came down to a crazy upset that even made it possible.

I'm more looking at the early half of the schedule vs the latter half. In the first 9 games, our toughest opponents (on paper) are: *Jets - Week 1 (Away) *Dolphins - Week 4 (Home) *Jaguars - Week 5 (Home) *Giants - Week 6 (Home) *Bengals - Week 9 (Away) Second half toughest games are: *Jets - Week 11 (Home) *Eagles - Week 12 (Away) *Chiefs - Week 14 (Away) *Chargers - Week 16 (Away) *Dolphins - Week 18 (Away) The Bills tend to start off well before slowing down midseason. Whether it's just a rut, or signs of bigger issues is debatable. But the second half of the schedule not only has tougher opponents, but more of those games are on the road as well. Thankfully, Allen plays nearly the same statistically away as he does at home (at least in 2022), so that's not much of an issue. I'm just concerned that hot starts vs mid-late season lulls will hurt us in the tougher half of our schedule.

Speaking of rankings, anyone have access to ESPN+ & can tell us where we rank on this article - https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/37899731/nfl-team-wide-receiver-tight-end-running-back-rankings-2023 ? I'd like to see what they think of our offensive capabilities.

My perfect combination would be the 90's red helmet with the current jerseys & color scheme.

I'll be honest, I don't have any expectations for Elam this year. I hope to be surprised & that he kills it out there, but I don't buy the idea that McDermott is just too conservative with rookies & was afraid to play him much. On the other hand, the sky's the limit with Cook. It requires Dorsey to commit to using him, but I think he'll be great if given more opportunities. If the Bills can finally figure out how to use screens effectively, it'll be even better.

How do I spoof my location for one of those plates? 😆

He's innocent until proven guilty! Well... at least until the video is released and ruins everything.

Wanted anyone but Josh That's really the only significant one. However, that was mostly due to my lack of confidence in the Bills being able to develop a raw, physically gifted, "potential" type of QB. I felt the Bills were the last team capable of developing a QB that wasn't already a prodigy. I'm still not sure about it, but Josh is so driven & smart, I give most of the credit to him. He worked his butt off, and deserves all the credit.

That's crazy... He just bragged about giving guys jobs, and now went & ensured the entire team is out of a job. Nice going AB!

He's already the most targeted receiver in the league isn't he?