BigDingus

No standout QB? Wtf are you talking about? There are no guarantees in the draft, yet every year you have QBs that rise to the top. This year is better than most, that's for sure. Fans that think "wait until next year!" every year while watching the team go 18 years with no playoffs are ridiculous. You mention Manning, he wasn't a sure thing, or else why was there so many "experts" and teams wanting Leaf? Newton was better than others in his class, but not nearly as good as other less hyped QBs over the years. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Bread, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Big Ben etc all came out with less hype and have had better careers than Newton. Wentz and Goff weren't sure things, yet look what they did. Russell Wilson and Derek Carr went after the 3rd round, yet 1 has won a SB, and the other has been better than anything the Bills have had since Kelly. Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield have been more highly touted than most of the guys mentioned above, and yet you'd want to wait year after year after year after year, kicking the can down the street hoping the stars align and some gift from the heavens falls into our lap. It rarely works that way, and in the past 10 years, the closest thing to a sure-thing has been Andrew Luck, and look what he's done lately. Point being waiting for some god-send is not a successful way to build a franchise. It is a good way of going another 18 years without playoffs though. Bingo! That's the problem with always waiting, sometimes you're stuck with a crappy hand year after year (like the year we drafted EJ Manuel) and missed your chance at legitimate talent. This year there are actual good prospects, some of the most promising in years, so waiting for a year better than this could be a looooong time away.

I'm pretty sure he only started 2 games for the Pats. At least McCarron basically won a playoff game for the Bengals until the penalty after penalty fiasco by the idiotic defense at the end of the game. That was more impressive than Jimmy G's starting resume.

If our coaches had faith they could implement a system similar to the one the Eagles ran, sure, go for him. But if they're going to run him like Jeff Fisher did, don't even bother (same can be said for Case Keenum, except Foles is better).

Thanks Tyrod and good luck! Though I soured on him as a QB, I've always liked & respected him as a person. Best of luck going forward, unfortunately it's with the Browns. Hope you end up doing SOMETHING for that franchise.

Well, looks like I was right Also, didn't mean to quote you specifically, just saying they did just what I figured they'd do, and almost got a 2nd rounder for him (first pick of 3rd round).

This doesn't mean anything on whether or not the Bills are going to keep him. If they pay the $6 million, he's much easier to trade. Not only that, but his contract is so cheap for the position that it's not a huge hit to them if they have to eat some money. $10 million for a serviceable but mediocre starter with "potential" and/or a quality backup at the QB position is good value that other teams would likely be interested in. This is actually smart if the Bills hope to get something in return for him.

Well it worked out. Happy for Nick Foles too. The guy didn't just come in and skate by on the back of Defense & ST, he played extremely well, won 2 playoff games, then won the Super Bowl and was the MVP. Sucks for Wentz though... There's no guarantee they'll ever get back to the SB again, and as much as he can say he helped lead them there, he didn't have any involvement in their playoff wins or their SB victory. Nick Foles & co. brought the Eagles their first SB win in franchise history, so he gets the credit. Just really happy for Foles, as I thought he was horribly used in St. Louis (who wasn't under Fisher?), and didn't get a shot in KC. He has legit talent, and outplayed Brady regardless of stats. The only INT he had was due to the receiver practically throwing it to a Pats DB. Hell, Foles even had a TD reception, and now sits alone with a SB record all to himself as the only QB ever to have a TD reception in the big game lol. I'd be so happy to have a record like that all to myself.

I can see them doing that too... But it just smells like the painful 2004 Draft all over again. The top 3 QB's go before we pick, then the Bills have their pick of the scraps & hope for a miracle. Instead of getting Eli Manning, Big Ben or Rivers, we got JP Losman (and coincidentally at #22 like we have this year) as our 1st rounder. This year, Darnold, Rosen & Mayfield will be gone, so we'll likely get to pick from Rudolph, Jackson & possibly Allen (yuck)....

If you find a guy you are confident will be your franchise QB, you should do everything in your power to get him. It's the NFL. You're ALWAYS going to have multiple holes to fill. Simply saying "we have holes ____, _____, and _____," does not mean "fill those spots, then get a QB some other time!" We've tried that...we've been trying that for 18 years. It's not a very good strategy. Can you luck out & make the playoffs from time to time? Sure. But consistently? Very unlikely. Even when you try to plug those holes, more will open up the following season. Rookie contracts expire, free agency happens, injuries, retirement, etc. will all continue the cycle of "we have more holes to fill!" And just as with the QB position, rookies in those various other spots aren't guaranteed to be great, nor are they even guaranteed to be productive starters. So spinning your wheels on the QB position time & time again will not yield great results. This regime HAS to find their guy and work towards developing him. And unless they're aiming to make a big splash in FA (which is the opposite of what they said they'd do), the only other option is the draft. And every year as it gets closer to draft time, you hear the same cliche chatter about how "this year's QB class isn't that good, wait until next year when ____ & _____ come out!" At some point you have to stop "waiting for next year" and take a shot. If not, you get to the point where you're so desperate, and you're forced to reach for someone like EJ Manuel in an actually terrible QB class. Nearly every year there are a couple players who do become franchise QB's...the Bills need to be decisive & find that player.

What I'm curious about is how the Bills are able to keep up with the rise in cap each year... I mean we're a small market, and the most recent lists have us as the least valued team in the NFL (and bottom 3 in revenue), so how do we manage to stay competitive financially? And in a few more years of the cap increases, it'll start to surpass our total revenue each year... Plus, I'm not sure the exact number, but I know NFL teams have to spend a minimum amount of money (which also increases yearly), sooo... Unless revenue sharing increases quite a bit, it's a bit concerning. I'm sure there's something that'll help them out, but at some point the League isn't going to want to carry small teams that aren't able to create their own profit.

I highly doubt this would ever happen, but I would be ecstatic if it were true. The dumpster fire the Pats would become would be delicious! They've prided themselves on using no-names in their system for so long, that to lose Brady and the mastermind behind it all, Belichick, would cripple that team's competitive ability for years. And trading away Jimmy G on top of it? Man, they'd just nose dive next season...It'd be glorious!

I'd rather it be a highly drafted rookie that we decided to take our bumps & bruises with. If not, then some veteran FA with upside (preferably from the Vikings). Dead last choice would be Tyrod. I'd rather see if Peterman improved in the offseason over seeing Tyrod do exactly what he's always done.

That's just weird... Buffalo was ranked 14th in passing defense while the Texans were ranked 24th. In 2014 when Butler started with the Texans, they were ranked 2nd overall, so that's great (might have more to do with them getting pressure on the opposing QB's though). In 2015, the Texans passing defense was again 2nd overall In 2016, they were also ranked 2nd. So maybe the dramatic dropoff had something to do with the Texans firing him, and perhaps McDermott believes Butler can tap into the potential of our roster better to get us towards those passing rankings.

This is a bummer no matter how you look at it. Even though he had 9 years, it still feels really early. Kinda like Aaron Schobel or Brad Butler (although not as soon as Butler). Talented players who could've definitely continued to make an impact but for whatever reason retired early.

But that assumes that there has to be at least SOME trust to begin with if you can pick one to trust over another. I guess I'd trust all of them more than Bernie Madoff. That's all I know lol.

Please, anyone but Allen or Rudolph... please, please, please! C'mon guys...don't get infatuated with size and look.

Why is there not a "none of the above" option?

Hey, I'm with you here. I despise him, and specifically his dominance against the Bills. But I can't deny he's the GOAT QB.

I'm not "worshiping." I just want to know, from an unbiased standpoint, how people feel in comparison to Jordan. Seriously, we can be mature about this, even on a Bills board. There are tons of non-Bills related posts every day discussing various topics. This is no worse. That very well could be true, but in terms of accomplishments what is your opinion?

They're talking about it on ESPN Radio right now, and I have to say I sadly think yes, he is. Jordan is considered the GOAT in the NBA. He has 6 Championship rings. However, there have been several players with more than that like Bill Russell, Robert Horry, Sam Jones, etc. but Jordan gets more credit because he did it in the modern era and was the leader of those teams. Again, we have people like Kareem Abdul Jabbar with 6, same with Scottie Pippen, and plenty of people who were also leaders of their team with 5. Tom Brady is tied right now with Charles Haley with most rings regardless of position, but could possibly surpass that with a win. I'd argue his 5 rings in the NFL as a QB leading his team is more significant than 6 rings in the NBA, but if he gets 6, there's no contest. He already has the stats to back up everything (just like Jordan), and has more championship game appearances. He's also played 36 post season games (the equivalent of over 2 full NFL seasons) which is absolutely nuts. Jordan also played just over 2 full seasons worth of games in the post season. Jordan was a 6 time Finals MVP, 5 time League MVP, and is 4th all time in scoring. Brady is 4 time SB MVP (most all time), 2 time AP League MVP, and 4th all time in yards/3rd all time in TDs. Brady is also the winningest QB of all time with 223 wins (Peyton is 2nd with 200), while also being the winningest post-season QB ever with 27 wins & 9 losses (.750 win percentage) compared to 2nd place Joe Montana's 16 wins & 7 losses (.696 win percentage). The fact that Brady dwarfs his peers in post season success, has the stats to back it up in the regular season, stands alone at the top for championship wins & championship appearances (literally played in a SB every other year of his career on average), completed the first & only 16-0 regular season record, 2nd all time in 4th quarter comebacks, 3rd best 4th quarter passer rating all time (behind Tony Romo & Matt Ryan), and makes his teammates better solidifies his spot in my opinion. On top of all that, he's done it in the era of Free Agency (insane!) and without star players loading up the roster. They gifted him some great receivers in Moss & Welker once, and they were fantastic, but otherwise he has a rotating cast of role players that he elevates, and Gronk. To put how crazy this is in perspective, before Brady the Pats had 2 SB appearances, 0 wins. In their franchise HISTORY, the Steelers & Cowboys have 6 SB championships each with 8 appearances. In one generation, Brady himself has 8 appearances! In that one generation, he has the chance to tie the top 2 franchises in SB wins himself! In the Brady era, he has put the Patriots in the same league as the Cowboys & Steelers in franchise relevance. Jim Kelly is a legend with 4 SB losses...even if Brady loses this SB, that'll almost tie him with Kelly's losses, with the caveat that he also has 5 wins on top of it! Overall, I'd say 5 NFL SB rings as a QB is more exclusive and difficult than 6 NBA rings. The fact more people aren't straight up calling him the GOAT *period* as they did Jordan is weird to me. If he wins this game, that'll change fast.

They're talking about Gilmore right now on Dan Leobatard show.They're calling it the Patriot's special "cornerback levitation" play, where they unleash their super hero corner to defy gravity & stop a perfect throw by Bortles. Seriously, they're talking about him defying the laws of gravity, and going nuts describing how amazing the play was.

I do hope he gets a chance again. He deserves it. How were the Lion's defenses of those times?

There must be something about Schwartz's personality that makes him off-putting or something. Either that, or owners/execs have identified him as a Wade Philips kinda guy. They see him as a fantastic coordinator, but not cut out for being a HC. Whether that's deserved (for either of them) or not is debatable, but they may just want him as a guy on their staff but not leading everyone.

It's true. But we love the underdog guys like Fred Jackson and Stevie Johnson (before he got big) and Lorenzo Alexander. Hell, we LOVED Jerry Hughes until he got the contract, now he's getting tons of hate on these boards. Mario Williams didn't single-handedly get us to the playoffs year one, so he got hated. Then he became a multi-time pro-bowler and a top 25 player, so things got quiet. But then Rex came into town, misused his team, then the Mario hate returned with a vengeance. Gilmore, Dareus, Clements, Byrd (before he got the money but when we knew he would), McGahee (because he made jokes about the city), Jason Peters (when we knew he'd command money), etc. Hell, we hate our 1st round picks in general. Lawson, McGahee, Maybin, Losman, Watkins, Dareus, Spiller, Manuel, Gilmore, McKelvin, Whitner, McCargo, Mike Williams... I think the only ones we liked were Lynch and White (for now), and Woods who most are neutral on.

I'm not "glad" he's gone, but I agree with the rest of your post. He's not a top 5 CB, and he gets burned all the time. Just makes a few good plays and "all is forgiven."