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Thanks. No doubt for Bills or Ravens fans the loss was bad, but history shows it isn't something completely unrecoverable for either team and like I said at the end of the year the Jags are 4-13 or 5-12 it probably doesn't look AS bad as 1-7 at the time. The other thing is for some of these teams they were in the midst of a bad stretch and the loss was anywhere from the start of that stretch to the end of a bad stretch of play. In football nothing is linear

As Dunkirk Don would say "follow the money" and you'll find the answer haha

After the Ravens loss to Miami and the Bills to the Jags I wanted to look at how much a bad loss has meant to prior SB champions. Here is the list: 2010 Packers: Week 14 at Lions 7-3. Rodgers got hurt half way through but they literally lost to a 2-10 Lions team. 2011 Giants: Week 11 Eagles 17-10. The Eagles were 3-6 and despite the hype coming into the year, flamed out really hard 2012 Ravens: Week 2 Eagles 24-23 or Week 7 Texans 43-13. The Eagles went 4-12 whereas the Texans were good and Baltimore got run out of town. 2013 Seahawks: Week 16 Cardinals 17-10. They didn't really have a bad loss as every team they lost to was a playoff team, but they did lose week 16 at home to a spunky Cards team with Carson Palmer throwing 4 INTs. 2014 Patriots: Week 4 at Chiefs 41-14. This was the game which NE looked broken, Brady looked old, and people thought the Pats dynasty was finally on the way down. This was about as bad a loss a team could have in terms of image when you've been successful for a long period of time as it comes. 2015: Broncos: Week 10 Chiefs 29-10. After losing the week prior the Broncos got throttled at home by a division rival and the their offense got exposed as Manning was breaking down due to age by the second. After his fourth interception Brock Osweiler came in which is never a good thing/ 2016 Patriots, No Comment other then Buffalo beat the Pats week 4 2017: Eagles: Week 13 at Seahawks 24-10. At 10-1 the Eagles had a loss on the road that fans would feel showed they were not ready yet to defeat a premier team. 2018: Patriots: Week 3 at Lions 26-10. The Patriots lost to a Lions team on the road that stunk and only scored 10 pts. 2019: Chiefs: Week 5 Colts 19-13. Despite having a record setting offense the Chiefs laid an egg at home vs a Colts team that would finish 7-9. That was the only game that season they were held under scoring at least 23 pts in a game. 2020: Buccaneers: Week 5 at Bears 20-19 or Week 9 Saints 38-3. If you are going to losing to a bad opponent the Bucs lost in Chicago to a Bears team that was not good. If you are talking about margin of victory the Bucs got smoked by division rival the Saints and I do remember after this game people questioning how good the Bucs really were. So looking at the past SB winners can have bad losses in all shapes and forms and it really isn't underheard of for an off performance. How the Jaguars finish the season may also determine in hindsight how bad the loss was or wasn't. Some of these losses above were pretty bad at the time to the team they lost to, but by seasons end not as bad.

I would say at this point were toast. The Dolphins obviously have all the momentum and the Bills have absolutely NO way of preventing them from catching us

So getting the #1 seed is a big deal because the at least 1 of the #1 seeds has made the Super Bowl over the last decade. So statistically you are giving yourself a 50% chance at the big game. Currently the #1 seed is not a big deal for two reasons: 1. The AFC is straight whack right now. Take a look at the standings and your guess at how it ends up is as good as anyones as many of the teams have to play each other so attrition is coming to teams like Baltimore and the Chargers. The Titans have the easiest path but at some point they will struggle a bit and lose 2 maybe 3 (Or they are your 1 seed). 2. The Bills loss against the Jags and Titans especially has taken them from the driver seat to being just one of many. Outside of the Bills winning out and being 14-3, if they are 13-4 or my guess 12-5 at seasons end they will have manyyyyy teams with the same record and it will come down to tiebreakers which I do not want to even have to think about as it hurts my head haha.

Good read and I agree with what has been said. I do believe the offense will get it together to some capacity, I am not sure if it 100% back to last year but it will improve. Josh I am not worried about he had a bad day compounded by zero help. Yards Per Pass made this point on twitter and I think there is more to this then what has been remotely said. Beasley this year looks a step behind compared to the prior two years where he literally never dropped a ball and was uncoverable. He looks just a bit slower/hasn't been able to break free like before and he has had quite a few drops in big situations that I just don't remember happening the last two years. The prior two years I really believe Josh's true help was always having Beasley around to catch literally anything at any time and being open. Whether scheme or gameplan it has not felt nearly the same this year. I have wondered if his injury is still lingering from last year beside his current rib issue. Either way YPP I think made a great point on this and it has not been brought up nearly enough.

Metallica Creeping Death!

Bills 28 Rams 24 Buffalo burns to the ground in celebration

I expect the Bills to beat the Colts 37-20 because football is a REALLY weird sport

11 50 yard + FG's lol

This would be the worst 30 pt win ever and I would SOOO be down for it to see TBD after haha

OK so last week I didn't take this serious and we lost so not doing that again Bills 34 Jets 17 Bills storm out to a 14-0 lead in the 1st quarter powered by a Diggs 40 yd TD and a Singletary TD on a screen. The Jets get a FG in the second quarter as the defense holds strong in the redzone and Buffalo goes down the field for a FG themselves. Tre White gets his first INT of the year on the next possession and Allen finds Beasley on a slant to put the Bills up 24-3. The Jets score late in the half on a TD from White to Davis to make it 24-10. The Jets get the ball out of half but turn the ball over on a sack fumble by Groot. Allen throws a TD to Sanders on a slant fade and it is 31-10 Buffalo 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter. From there the Bills coast and Mitch gets a FG drive while the Jets get a late TD run by carter to make it look closer in score. Allen 24-32 342 yds 4 TDs 15 yds rush Singletary 72 yds 14 carries 35 yds 3 rec 1 TD Diggs 156 yds 1 TD 8 rec White 1 INT 2 PD 2 tackles

The Steelers, Phins, & Jags games all had a common theme of a team that under estimated their opposition and thought they would just win because they are talented. I agree I thought the Phins game would've got the offense to say "crap we really need to tighten up" but it didn't.

I really think the team themselves underestimated the grit, work, and fight mentality needed after they lost to the Titans. They beat Miami and everyone was back to saying they were the best team in the AFC etc.. and they didn't even play that well or spirited that day. Since KC they look like a team that just feels they deserve to win as opposed to earning it.

ZERO FUN SIR!

I would also add that Josh has proven over the last few years he is very capable and dependable at winning games, this year it just hasn't gone our way as the Titans and Jags he came up short. It happens. I know people idolize Brady or Rodgers etc.. but they have not won every game in their career and successfully comeback every time.

Exactly. While I get wanting your QB to lead game winning drives 24/7, you can't pick the good games your QB has and what your opponent does. Until this week Allen was #1 for MVP in betting because he played well. Seems weird to jump ship that fast as a fan anger wise

100% agree. If I were to say what is the Bills core through 2025 it would be this: Offense: Allen Diggs Davis (for now) Knox Dawkins Brown Defense: Oliver Groot Edmunds Milano White T. Johnson Pretty solid core but you can see if they can get just one more true stud it would do wonders to the strength of this group. Get two or three more great guys and the sky is the limit.

Agreed. I know Bills fans really love to hype our team, but the Bills are more driven by a deep collection of B- to B+ type players with maybe 3-4 true A caliber guys being Allen, Diggs, White, & I would argue Milano when healthy which is his biggest caveat. The depth helps in terms of making the team competitive across the board, but they are missing at least one if not two guys to put them over the top for real. The defensive line is good example of this because they are solid as a group at DT/DE but realistically there is no true star or alpha player just guys playing their role at a high level. Now nothing necessarily wrong with this when you have Allen at QB especially, but the Bills look a lot to me like the Packers of the last decade where they have a stud QB, WR, one two guys on defense and then just depth not true alpha difference makers. That is the missing piece and its hard to get.

My point is more you are not going to go 5-1 every year in one score games and they had games last year they could've lost which they didn't play as well. If they lost to the Rams everyone would've been fuming, we only view it as a good game because we won.

Please remember the Brady you see now was not the Brady that existed back in the first part of his career. 2007 was the year he morphed into the guy you see now. I think if Allen gets another year or two of facing this coverage the patience and attack will come like Brady. Up until this point he hadn't faced coverage like this and against the Titans he picked them to pieces so the ability is there.

The COVER 2 is effective IF you are able to get pressure quickly on the QB. Both Allen and Mahomes this season are having guys coming through before they can even make a read properly. Yea the Cover 2 takes away the easy downfield threat, but the bigger issue is more the lack of time to get the open guy. Given Allen 3 seconds of true pocket time not him running to make the pocket and the effect is muted. The Titans game they ran Cover 2 a lot but he had more time to make throws. That really is the crux of it to me.

The last time I can remember the Bills so thoroughly off was McD's first season when they hit that 0-3 stretch. It is very odd to see them so uncomposed.

I am not disagreeing. My point though was last year against the Jets the offense wasn't great there but they got a catch or play here. If Gabe Davis catches that pass and the Bills win 13-9 the conversation is different right now the same way the win over the Jets become a non thing despite only getting 18. This season the breaks are not falling their way AND mixed with bad play it is biting them hard. I 100% agree the execution and performance was awful.

One of the things that defies good vs bad teams is seasons like this. Truthfully Buffalo deserved one of PIT/TEN/JAX just in percentage goes your way type thing and didn't, yet they are still 5-3 and ok at this moment. Bad teams don't get those wins AND they are 3-5 or 4-4 because they couldn't make up the difference. Sports are weird haha