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I wouldn't mind staying after and hanging but the wifey likes to get going quick. The one time we did stay was after the Packers 14 win. Had to celebrate it was surreal that night.

Very interesting topic and I think the answer is A LOT of pressure. Now that the draft is over hindsight is 20/20 but this is how I remember the seasons and Whaley without that view. 2010: Viewed as a rebuilding year which got ugly and then led to disappointment thanks to winning too many games. But Fitz intrigued everyone at that time and the next draft didn't have a ton of guys. A lot of patience preached to the fans 2011: Still low expectations but Fitz & a bunch of lunch bucket guys who were greater then their talent at points made the season hopeful. Everyone knew the foundation was being laid at the time and still more patience. 2012: By this point patience had worn thin and the expectations were playoffs or bust. People wanted Fitz out by the end because of his contract even though he was a better stop gap and temporary QB then what was to come, and they had enough talent at the time to win. I distinctly remember Jerry Sullivan even writing a article saying there was no reason this team with talent and schedule should not make the playoffs. Mario, Dareus, Gilmore, A Williams, & Byrd led a talented enough defense that Dave W pissed away. The offense had some pieces but clearly needed more help. Regardless Gailey seemed overmatched by this point. 2013: Whaley takes over and I do remember a lot of excited people about EJ if anything because the Bills finally pulled the trigger on a guy. I do not remember people viewing this as a playoff season but EJ offered intrigue for sure. This draft may have been Whaley's best regardless of EJ because he landed Robert Woods, Goodwin, Kiko, & Duke Williams all who became serviceable starters to pretty good. This season between the defense and the amount of players in position that were solid absolutely led to a lead up that 2014 should be the year to bust the drought. People revise how they feel now but I distinctly remember going into the 2014 season believing in EJ and media alike also feeling that way. He had plenty of games that showed a lot of promise. I do not remember them being as good as Allen though which was something I have thought about that makes me more excited for Allen. 2014: The Watkins trade was a 100% a move to win by Whaley and break the drought. That offseason I also remember liking his signings of Corey Graham and Brandon Spikes to fill in for the injured Kiko. The defense was freaking set people bought that hook and sinker and the thought was the offense had enough with CJ, Freddie, Sammy, Woods, Goodwin etc.. to make it. I have always wondered had the Bills not had so many injuries on offense if they would've broke the drought (Fred & CJ both were toast by mid season and the WR corp was hit also). The biggest thing ironically was the schedule freaked a lot of people. By this point I think the faith meter in Whaley may have been at it's highest given many of the Bills top players at the time were drafted by him or his influence i.e. Dareus, A Williams, Kiko, Woods, Sammy, Gilmore, Hughes trade etc.. 2015: Again Whaley swung for the fences and I think Terry/Kim bought that hook line and sinker. For the first time in what felt like forever Buffalo had relevance and spent so in the offseason. Whaley was like a 16 year old kid who found his parents liquor, guns, & credit card and used all completely irresponsibly. But optics at the time were close to as high as ever. The offense had Harvin, Woods, Sammy, Clay, & a newly traded LeSean McCoy plus the defense was still loaded. The only real fault I think people had with Whaley was EJ and the QB spot. You could tell Whaley didn't want to admit that and tried to get EJ as the dude. To Whaley's credit I maintain this is the most talented roster a Bills team had since the SB days and had we had a competent coach they should've been 11-5 even 12-4. They absolutely underachieved but from the offseason until their playoff hopes were dashed I do not remember a lot of criticism to Whaley at the time. If you look at their worst losses Jax in London, Pats week 2, KC, or PHI most of the criticism was less lineup and more coaching by Rex. 2016: The house of cards Whaley had built cap wise came tumbling down. The EJ obsession and refusal to cut was so obvious it was pathetic and people were on him like crazy for that (justifiably so.) The team needed help to infuse talent back in with Bradham, Mario, Hogan, Harvin, & McKelvin all leaving but he lacked the cap and draft resources. It's ironic how short of a time for Whaley's overspending resource wise to come back to him. I distinctly remember that the vibe going in was this team better win despite it's flaws or Whaley especially will be gone. I did not think they would fire Rex after just two years. BUT the Steelers game seemed like the mea-culpa for both and WGR after was saying just cut bait with both and be done. 2017: Everyone knew it was a matter of time before he got cut it was only strange they did it after the draft. Overall yea I think Whaley absolutely was a prisoner of the moment. The team went question mark at ownership at 6-10 to 9-7 with a new owner with gobs of money and the entire energy in the organization heading into 2015 was an all out push to break the drought and to a smaller effect the Patriots. I always thought he had an eye for talent both FA wise and draft wise. His 2016 draft especially was more Rex driven so I have a hard time criticizing that considering Rex seemed the head guy. I think Whaley got himself in trouble for being too aggressive with FA signings but everyone overpays for FA. His greater flaw may have been his rush to hand out contracts to guys like Dareus and Glenn too quick. I think he just was too focused on the present and at points was far too loyal to the wrong players. But he was dealt a bad hand also. He didn't get a say in any coach hired, Marrone seemed to want his own guy, Rex was given more power, and overall he was kinda at the whilm of others. Draft wise he did land Kiko, Woods, Goodwin, Glenn, Bradham, Darby & trade for McCoy & Hughes. Those are all pretty good players to get and like I said I do think he had an eye for talent but sometimes he overvalued it like with EJ. Truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if he did better if he got a second opportunity. He I would think has learned to be a bit wiser spending money and resources plus how to work with coaches better. He paid dearly for his mistakes in 15-16 and I have to believe he is smarter from it.

Yea I have friends who have done that. Truthfully the traffic really is at it's worst once it gets dark people lose their minds. Sept/Oct games were never the problem its Nov/Dec travel wise. The Jags game in 2016 right after Thanksgiving took 3 hours thanks to all the people traveling home mixed in the game.

For my liver and digestion system yes.. realistically no lol

This is the first time in my Bills adult life I can actually remember this statement being true.

Won't lie I kinda want to buy seasons even though I have a new kid on the way and being in Rochester the commit is harsh drive and time wise I hear that. Do you drive far for the Bills? Living in Rochester the time commitment/drive where you sometimes hit 2-3 hr traffic to get home is what iced me back to 2-3 games. Plus road tripping to Miami twice has been an incredible experience and my wife and I plan now on one road game a year, that to me is worth the price of seasons instead while doing 2-3 games at home.

So a few things: The Browns actually maintain the history of the previous incarnation. There was a lawsuit which the city of Cleveland won keeping the history and colors there. The Ravens are effectively an expansion team that just got a lot of players and personal. Houston has tried to get the history back but Bud Adams didn't want to give it up. I agree its dumb that players are honored in cities they never played it and feels very backwards to me. The Ravens actually honored Johnny Unitas when he passed and I believe a statue exists in Baltimore for him. Probably the weirdest strangest dumbest of all sports is the Arizona Coyotes in the NHL carry the linage of the Winnipeg Jets of old...even though a new Jets team exists who carries the linage of the Atlanta Thrashers. Overall its stupid when teams move IMO if you move the history and colors stay in that city and you rebrand.

I like your analytics and I am a believer to an extent. For me the Bills making the playoffs they need to do the following: Record wise -6-2 home record minimum. This guarantees that you can go .500 on the road. Personally I think they could win every game at home in 2019. -NFC North win 3 of 4. I think Giants & Redskins should absolutely be wins its getting one of DAL or PHI -AFC East win 4 of 6. MIA should be a sweep which means you need to split NYJ and NE who are both winnable but tougher -AFC North win 2 of 4. CLE is actually the game I fear most with CIN & PIT in Chaos and BAL being a team at home we can beat. -Crossover games win 1 of 2. DEN at home should be a win and I think the Bills can win in TEN. Scoring Wise: -Get the offense to 23 ppg. The offense once Allen returned actually averaged 24 pts but teams will adjust. 23 pts is still a sizeable leap for any team and even with added playmakers 25 pts seems still a bit high to get. -Allen averages 60% on passes and gets to 3500 yards. I think at those numbers the offense is clicking and near Top 10 -Add a half a second more of protection for Allen.

If you are talking the actual year of 2018 then the entire period from the Bills Dolphins game which got us in to the playoff game against Jax's was the most fun I have ever had as a Bills fan. Being 30 I don't have a ton of playoff memories and that week was absolutely insane and the energy was out of control being in the WNY area. If you are referring to this last season here the Jaguar game felt as close to a playoff game or big game as it gets. I was swearing off the wall by the end of that game and loveddd seeing us punch the Jags especially Ramsey in the mouth. I would say the Vikings game was fun and the Dolphins Clay drop game was also good because it pretty much sold me that Allen could be really freaking good. And upon remembering the Clay drop screw him I hope he is cut

If they are going to do a train whistle they might as well use a steam whistle from the late 50's especially a N&W hooter. It would blow people's hair off its so damn loud and you would at least see steam come out every time haha

So I am at minimum a train lover at large trains might be the only thing I love more then my wife. I have model trains, I have traveled to see rail trains, take pictures of trains etc.. THIS HORN IS THE DUMBEST MOTHERF*CKING THING EVER AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE WHO LIKES TRAIN HORNS AND COULD TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM. MAY IT DIE FOREVER! On a funny note my brother's mother in law was watching the Bills game and remarked there must be train tracks nearby because she heard like 10-14 trains go by during the game haha

Your so 2020 I am already on to 2023!

Exactly getting rid of the fat and dead weight is easy. Using that cap space and picks to build something is the real work.

No team fills out holes completely and virtually no team is hole free. When they are they are picked apart in FA. The Broncos with Manning are perhaps the closest you've seen to a complete team recently and you have seen how quickly that fell once Peyton aged. The Bills look something like this heading into the offseason: QB 1. Allen 2. Barkley 3. Anderson if they want vet presence RB 1. McCoy 2. Ivory 3. Murphy WR. 1. Needed 2. Foster 3. Needed 4. Zay Jones 5-6-7. McKenzie/Thompson/McCloud/Possible FA or Draft TE. 1. Croom 2. Thomas (Probably address the position in FA/Draft in some capacity I still think they want to give Croom a shot) OL LT Dawkins LG Teller C Bodine RG Needed RT Needed DL: Star, Harrison, Phillips, Needed DE: Trent, Jerry, & Shaq (Possibly can use edge rusher) LB: Edmunds, Milano, Zo, Stanford CB: White, Needed, T. Johnson, Wallace, Lewis SAF: Hyde, Poyer, Bush So the offense your looking at drafting a guy like A.J. Brown or N'K Neal Harry mixed with signing a guy like Tyrell Williams. I don't believe they will address center like some because Bodine wasn't a tire fire and they can spend O-Line resources on guys like RT Daryl Williams from the Panthers or Roger Safford from the Rams if not both mixed with the draft plus a current guy like Botteger. RB you can draft late and find gold plus it does seem like they are keeping Shady for better or worse. Defense you have a DL need and CB2 need but both of those are pretty addressable and the rest of the D is pretty young and set. They could use a true pass rusher but those are not easy to find. I could see the Bills pursuing a guy like Anthony Barr or Ziggy Ansah if they hit the market, but more likely they don't and do short term options like Brandon Graham DE PHI, DT Hankins OAK, and a CB on the cheap like Buster Skrine for a shot at the CB 2 spot. The defense they will address but it will not be sexy unless it is a top pass rusher because frankly they don't need to go crazy. So yea they need 6-8 guys but they have the ability to attack them well and like I said some areas they will settle because they would rather address other places. If they got some combo of what I have suggested I would feel pretty good about the team not only going for the playoffs but challenging for the division. Our defense would be the best still in division and if the offense gets improvements like they should it can be enough to move to the middle of the league. I think that would be a heck of an improvement and have a really nice base set long term.

It is possible especially given the fact our division is relatively weaker compared to the NFC North. The two hiccups I see are the lack of solid FA WR options this off-season and the unlikely addition of a top 3 player on defense in the NFL how they got Mack. Our defense is good but it does lack that true dominant player. We have a ton a good-almost great players (Poyer Hyde White Edmunds) but only Milano at this point is what I would consider a semi dominant playmaker and he has an injury to recover from. Perhaps Edmunds turns into that he is young and talented as heck, but Chicago with Mack literally add one of the best defensive players period in his prime. That helps.

The only game I remember kinda thinking EJ had the "IT" was that Carolina game and now looking in retrospect I think it was more luck specifically that dropped INT and flag at the end. With Josh the Miami and MIN games I left saying holy crap this guy can be real good. What sucked with EJ who I was in the bandwagon big time for is he should not have started week 1. He was the definition of a project QB you needed to let sit and take it all in. He was a guy I think who just needed time and coaching if he were to ever figure it out. The problem was the defense was good enough to win with and Marrone seemed to be non surprisingly very conservative with his handling of EJ after his knee injury. My dad and I remarked at points that they drafted him to be a bit mobile from time to time yet after the injury he and the team seemed gun shy of him doing so taking away one of his best strengths. EJ was the opposite of Allen passing wise always being nervous and willing to check down whereas Josh I think goes big too much and always thinks he can make the play when he should take whats given. But his arm strength and ability to throw where he wants is one of his best traits. EJ vs. Josh in a throwoff wouldn't be close, Josh needs time just to refine himself but he can make every throw with EJ I never got that vibe.

Basically his baseline is a different version of Tyrod that is less accurate but a bit more playmaker in general especially arm wise. Issue with that is you looking at 6-10 wins max. They drafted him for 10-13 level wins. I like what I have seen and feel confident he can improve to have them in the race next year but I'd prefer to be the one driving the car to the post season not chasing like we have for two decades.

That's more or less what I am saying. Their will always be different ways that work although a good general rule of thumb is to maximize what you can during a QBs rookie deal because after that they eat space. I think great defenses though are partially a bit of luck. It requires very few injuries, the right players in their primes at the right time, and turnover luck. A big piece of having a good defense generally is just drafting BPA. Baltimore has consistently done that and mixing a somewhat decent offense with that can make a team be regularly good to sometimes great. That to me is more of the true formula because getting an all time great franchise QB requires a good bit of luck as opposed to a ten year starter like Flacco who did enough for them.

Defense you will always need to put some investments into because of age, change of scheme, etc.. I am not one who believes it's worth trying to build a great defense because the window is so short and things like turnovers are so based off luck. I think the Bills have the right philosophy of having a consistently good unit like they do and if it does be great so be it. This is a league that prefers offense like no other that should always be the focus. That said I expect a 70-30 split between offense to defense with how assets are spent. Truthfully the first round is more defense heavy earlier on. If there is a guy they like on D then go for it, but you better spend the majority of the picks on offense. FA the best players are on OL and Pass rush this year so yea if you can get Anthony Barr and a guy like Safford from the Rams do it. So I do not think its crazy to make upgrades to the D I think to a certain extent you always should. But after 2 years of spending the majority of assets on the D the focus needs to be far more offensively geared.

My understanding is that the Bills wouldn't give enough for Jax or Hou to match what they wanted. If Buffalo really wanted Big Ben they would've moved heaven and high water but Ralph at the time refused to do so non surprisingly. What's annoying is they were willing to trade a second first for Losman which at that point you might as well give what it would've taken for Big Ben. One thing I like with Beane was his willingness to move for his pick of Allen, Rosen, or Jackson rather then just settling for whoever came out of it. Far too often it felt like we have been adverse to going after QB's and instead we play it safe. Correct. The Bills issue has been they would draft 3 years worth of players for a coach and fire him forcing them to dump a lot of those players for the next coach to get his guys etc.. The lack of vision and continuity up until the last 2 years really bit the team in the butt. In the end most teams hit on 1/3 of your picks which is why collecting picks typically is preferred for a building team as opposed to spending them. That's why the 2014 Sammy pick is so incredibly frustrating in hindsight because they could've had an extra 1st and 4th to work with while still getting a WR like a Mike Evans or ODB by not moving.

I saw Elway and Farve play, Allen seems more reckless because he is a gunslinger and feels he can make every throw. I see more Farve in that relation then Elway who was a bit more surgeical and careful with his attack. That's why I said that although I could absolutely see a mix of Elway or Kelly because of his competitive nature and leadership. Only Baker I think matches that type of fire the rest are far more quiet leaders by comparison.

01 Pats 02 Raiders 03 Pats 04 Pats 05 Steelers 06 Colts 07 Pats 08 Steelers 09 Colts 10 Steelers 11 Pats 12 Ravens 13 Broncos 14 Pats 15 Broncos 16 Pats 17 Pats You named all of them their is no one else That's your opinion and currently the Steelers and Pats are below the Chiefs, Chargers, & Texans in W/L.

Naw u good homie I figured it was more of a question. Just for fun Watkins cap per spotrac is 7 mil this year then 19 mil next and 21 in 2020 which is hilarious

The number signed for does not necessarily equal the cap hit. It's all about contract structure. It has taken the Jags like 5 seasons to use all that cap space. Only this offseason are they finally going to have to shed a guy like Dareus ironically

Both teams are aging with rosters near the end outside of AB & JuJu. Steelers are lucky Mayfield didn't play week 1 otherwise they'd be chasing Cleveland. NE I never bet against but Brady has went from god to really good mortal QB his end is near.