Patrick Duffy

Idk....I kinda lean more to what @BADOLBILZ mentioned few posts up....In that they did think that going into last season and had much confidence in Gabe that he was ready so was easy decision to give him much more playing time and definitely seemed the chance would be pretty damn good for him to be a good #2 Now I'm not so sure they feel that same way. They know now he didn't quite turn out how they thought Edit: Just to add, I don't think anyone can say it was bad decision etc. We all thought the same way, if not you're likely lying.

Idk, back then at the time it was big win, but I think some still feel it was more than it actually was. I think that game may have seemed much bigger than it was because of the state of the franchise at the time. Fans emotional and desperate for something and the basically guaranteed loss to the Pats year after year. So was so much emotion then (and rightfully so) along with how it happened coming from 21pts down, it was special...but at the end of the day it was a week 3 win

Agreed, pretty much everyone gets that bit of, guess you'd call it "extra excitement" when Josh takes off because he does amazing things. I fully agree about the designed runs though, definitely need to cut back. And adding to your statement in bold, that's correct and it probably goes without saying here, but also the Oline protection (or lack thereof ) along with that being the 2 main issues.

Won't surprise me if one day we see a thread pop up "When will Tyrod be brought out for a Bills legend of the game"

Probably more based on their improved play last quarter or so of the season. And yeah there's hoping for sure

Can't really argue with you here, that said he also had the benefit of being developed by one of the best. I'm sure that contributed to some extent.

Just to jump in here briefly to say that's certainly the way I remember it happened, now jumping out

Probably also was almost like protection didn't exist for Josh.

Lol, I recall vividly that very play so much that out of all the MANY times back then I would shake my head in disgust yelling WTF, this however is one that I recall specifically for some reason

Yeah it does kinda seem like he is brought up a bit more than other QBs from the past. Maybe some haven't moved on yet for some reason

Lol, such a familiar thing a whole lot of us went through and is likely the main thing if not the only thing that first comes to mind when his name is mentioned

Yup, not complicated at all simply just comparing only the performance between both of them. Even though Fitz and the INTs was frustrating he still was a gun slinger and a more exciting QB.

First I wasn't referring to him rushing, I was talking out the backfield type passes with his speed if getting him into space..... that being said, I'll still address your question, he is also a threat as KR/PR so that plays into it. He won't have very many opportunities rushing anyways unless injuries become a big factor but certain issues like the screen game etc type plays is clearly an area Bills need to figure out. If they do that then he has the speed that as you said any one of "20 UDFAs" may not have. Well yeah, you don't take touches from Cook. I'm saying if he rotates in once in a while or maybe ends up getting more opportunities due to injury and can catch the ball with just a little bit of room he could definitely make some plays

Lol, imagine the amount of porn he gets paid to enjoy

Not sure I'd go quite that far lol.....I think he could do well with his speed if can ever get him the ball in space. And we know that's something that needs improvement getting each of the RBs involved. I mean I'm just saying I don't think he's hardly had nearly enough opportunities yet to know how useful or useless he is in this offense.

Lol, I enjoy the dedicated ones that refuse to base their logic off truth. It can get entertaining at times

Yeah I'd assume majority of us know it's nonsense and clearly Josh would never do such a thing. There's always someone though lol

I can understand to a certain extent where you're coming from about this. Although I do get the impression that you're not taking any other factors into consideration and only taking a single factor of just Josh for this issue. It's more that plays part for generally every issue and have to look at the whole thing. Things such as play calling, Oline protection issues, and drop off in WR talent (specifically the slot), elbow injury etc. It's more than just a Josh problem is my point.

That is of course is taught and is best thing to give one the best chance to survive, but could still not work sometimes

Oh wow!! Shocking to hear. Young man should've had much more life to live. Sad situation and hate to hear it

There are many that considered McNabb "elite" at that time (if that's around the time you mean)

Why wouldn't it continue to be pass first offense? I don't see that changing anytime soon

Yeah for sure he has to protect the ball a bit better and work on the fumbles. I tend to agree about finding certain players that may be open on some of those shorter routes etc and also just his overall decision making at times could be better.... But I think it mostly begins with Oline improvement (as you mentioned) with better protection and allowing a little more time in certain situations than he's had up til now, that likely would be one of the biggest factors needed for improvement in that area.

I do think the slot position will be better and have better depth compared to last season...in which case could help the other areas to an extent