Rochesterfan

Good that makes me feel a lot better about the deal. 🤦‍♂️

As the Giants did not tender him - he is a FA - this is the kind of signing that happens after the comp period as a 1 year min deal and camp arm. I don’t think he makes a wave one way or the other - so no big deal.

That was a fake story by EPSN - not anything tangible. I think more than anything - Carolina is holding on to him as a potential piece in the Watson trade. Houston wants #1 picks and players and this might be a piece that helps Carolina obtain the QB. I would assume the Bills inquired, but it would have required some salary retention in Carolina to make things work.

I totally disagree with this take. Baker certainly let those interactions impact him. He walked on and I believe he started and alternated starting. When he did not get all the accolades - he didn’t do what others do and stay and fight to win the job. He took his ball and left. He then went on to do amazing things at Oklahoma, but came into the NFL with attitude. He has already multiple times complained about support and being treated “poorly” by the media for stories that have been shown to be true. He has a complex and when he perceives a slight - it is not - I will work harder. It seems to be move me or let me go where I am wanted. I think much like Tua was messed up by Watson early last year - this will have an impact on Baker - especially if the trade falls through. Baker is not mentally strong enough without getting 100% of the accolades and glory - he wants to be the man even if it is the worst thing for the team - see most of last year and the injury.

Gronk easily. Landry was during the play and went high on a block. Gronk - WWE after the play was over for no reason.

I totally get what you are saying, but he is paid at the 10th spot for RT - upper third. When we get to guards he is in a pack around 15th - so even with 2 starting guards - he was our higher paid and at just a slightly higher spot than as a tackle. It is not like he was the 15th RT and 10th guard where he is suddenly out of scale. Does he live up to the contract - probably not after year 1, but he is/was starter level and as is the case throughout the league - salary is driven by when you become a FA as much as talent. They need starting level players and his flexibility is a huge plus as he stepped up and moved to tackle as needed through Covid, injury, missed time. What I look for is who else are they going after and what impact does that have. I could see him do a restructure for more guaranteed money, but I do not want them creating a new hole to fill that saves them little money once replacement costs and dead money gets figured in.

Guards and RT are comparable in price and his salary slotted him in higher as a RT than as a guard. That was why the deal worked for both sides - he was slotting into a range that fit both his previous years RT play and if they moved him around guard play. He might or might not rework anything. At some point you need guard play and that is different than tackle - so he trained and studied as a tackle and then when needed shifted to guard and was adequate. Let’s see how other things go before we open new holes on the team.

Why do that have to do these things now before they make any moves? Wouldn’t that signal intentions and give others value that they have to out bid you? You have to be under the CAP at the start of FA period and then the CAP shifts to top 51 salaries - and you can go through the tampering and signing period and make deals without the restructuring in place - then you restructure when you need to - therefore only having to do what you need - when you need it. Beane has done this year over year - including restructuring Diggs and White late after FA last year to free up the rookie money and salary for emergency signings and cut players. There is no need to rush these things - decisions like Beasley can come after the first wave if they want - especially if teams miss out on Kirk or maybe he decides to restructure if nothing is going his way.

What I love most about this is now Copper is going to the offense Cousins was a big part of in Minnesota that ran WRs out before Stefanski left. The current Cleveland offense is going to have Cooper talking to himself from week 3 on when RBs and TEs rule the team and he gets 5-6 targets for 2-3 catches a game and at least 2 throws are not even close.

Even if he bounces back - he is what - the 3rd best QB in the division and now maybe the 8-9 best QB in the AFC? That is assuming some of the younger QBs don’t jump over him. You could do worse, but only slightly in the AFC. He is in a TE-centric offense of Stefanski that has had a number of good WRs over the years in Minnesota and Cleveland and every time the WRs complain because of the offense. Now they get a classic complainer at WR and have lost their top 2 and people expect Baker to become something he has never been. The Browns will win games, but they will do it on the strength of running and TE play. The QB and the WRs are essentially irrelevant in that scheme.

Where is crappy fans that question everything. I think the lack of Super Bowls is directly related to you as a fan. Your negativity caused angst and created the issue - you are the reason - plain and simple. JHC - what garbage.

Agreed - they did this some with Tre’ early in the season - especially against KC. They mixed Man/Zone with safeties to the middle and LBs outside. If they had a real man corner - they could mix things up even more and protect the middle with athletes.

Neither - it is a garbage tweet by a guy ridiculed for throwing poop at the wall and being wrong. Nothing legitimate to it. He probably got confused because the Steelers are letting their drafted Edmunds go.

Since even the OP posted several people ragging on the Tweet and questioning the last time this guy was right - could we lock this until real rumors from actual insiders have something? It has just become a Edmunds hate thread - like the others on the board.

Not sure, but didn’t Steelers fans dislike Terrell and they declined his option - so he is a FA. His brother was on the PS and a futures only. Not sure family makes sense as a reason.

The baby is the OP and smells like it needs a diaper change. JC

Except they did no have the draft pick this year to get this done. Their poor draft handling of last year moved their pick lower than ours. They did not have the ammo to get this done without adding more 1sts and probably some better players.

Yep - said that earlier in the thread. This is a splash move to appease new owners and the fan base. The player makes them better, but it has far more implications to the team than just wins on the field.

Have you seen the QBs they pick when they draft - that is the only way they have ever acquired good QBs. Elway, Manning, Wilson - none of the drafted. Locke, Osweiler, Cutler, Tebow - uggh gross. If you can make the trade - celebrate it and move on.

I don’t believe this is a 2 year window. They had a talented defense and multiple stud WRs, but lacked a QB to make plays. They lost several games last year where the defense fought all game to keep them close and their QBs couldn’t do anything. I think Wilson greatly elevates the offense and he gets WRs involved. I don’t think their running game is great, but it similar to Seattles - they were 50 yards apart for the year and one team had a QB. I also think this helps with the team sale and the fan excitement- this is a splash move unlike the crap that has been talked about for the Bills. I think this is a great move for Denver and I hope it helps the Bills in the long run by hurting KC and LA.

Even with all that - I think Denver won the trade so far.

You forgot the option None of these. The only one I would go after is Jones, but to me none of them are “splash signings” that instill hype. They are all overpayed, older veterans that return versus cost is bad. The best player is CMC, but with his salary and injury - that is an albatross. Adams and Goodwin are great receivers, but the cost versus benefits with Diggs is bad. It is not a good group to hype me up because I don’t think any of them are long term investments that have lasting impacts and I am not sure any of them move me toward my goal. Instead of a splash signing - how about we find some solid O-line men and protect the investment and look for some more up and coming talent like we did with Diggs. That hypes me up.

Maybe, but with as many as 8-10 teams dying for a QB - especially a cost controlled QB - and few to none being available - I could see several teams look at Love as an option. Denver has his former OC, the Saints need a QB option on the cheap and with that division- they could win. The same goes for both Carolina and TB. Heck Atlanta could look to trade Ryan and get younger. Washington is looking for a QB, Detroit needs to replace Goff, Pittsburgh and the Colts have to replace Veterans that are not coming back. Also - this is the year to trade him before the option is required. You give a team a year window to decide if they want to exercise the option or not. You have the time to figure it out now - rather than having to rush a trade next year. Plus after Covid - this is the deepest draft ever in several key positions - so even getting a mid second is netting you a nice WR potentially that can help immediately. If this was the Allen QB draft - with potentially 5 or 6 QBs with 1st round potential - I would hold on and showcase Love, but with as few as 2-3 1st round QBs and maybe only 1 top 10 pick and that might be a stretch - Love becomes potential for several other teams - especially in a QB friendly system. I just don’t think that showcasing him helps the cause much - get what you can and use it in a deep draft - at least that is what I would try to do.

All Jordan ever was - was a safety net. The Pack protected themselves and now in a bad QB draft year - they can work to trade him to a QB needy team. They lose a bit of capital, but it protected them in case this played out different. In a deep WR class - this might get them another potential WR to help. This is the perfect year to try and trade Love - lots of open jobs and few viable legitimate options. As for the Bills - so glad we got Allen in before this off season. This deal should drive up Carr, Cousin, and Stafford and by extension - Lamar, Mayfield, Burrow, and Murray. 🎉

What was he Hang time? He does that in a game - what happens. The ball is 60 yards in the air to a returner that has 20 - 25 yards of open space - it is a huge return waiting to happen. I would rather see him with that leg consistently hit 50 yard kicks with huge hang time above 5 seconds than boot it 60+ yards with what looked like about 3.5 -4 seconds of hang time. The great punters look to have the distance be about 10 times the hang time on average to allow coverage to make up the ground. For that punt - he most likely out kicked the coverage by nearly 20 yards being generous. 60 yards and around 4 seconds is not good. I would look to take him late, but I don’t think in the NFL he is the weapon people think.