Rochesterfan

I agree, but I believe that is because teams must defend the entire field versus Mahomes. If you played Hill expecting about 95% of his passes to be within 10-15 yards - Mahomes would throw 25-30 yard stop routes all day or go over the top. With Tua I think you can expect 95% short passes and you are going to get 95% short passes. Therefore - just like when the Bills had a short passing game and wide running game - teams started creeping up taking space away. You end up with 10 guys within 5 yards of the ball and run/pass blitzes to force quick throws.

I do not understand you Obada comment here because that is not correct. First off there have been a few IPP players that have graduated to active rosters - Obada is one of them. Obada tried out and was cut by 3 teams before getting a shot on the IPP. Essentially without the IPP his career was dead. Obada came in through the original IPP where the player did not have to be cut - they just moved to the IPP spot at the end of training camp. Obada was cut to allow him a shot on the active roster - basically exactly like Wade was each year. That rule was changed several years ago - allowing all IPP to go through waivers and have a chance to switch teams to make an active roster or an active PS. If that fails they have the ability to resign to the IPP slot with the full understanding of what that means. The goal is to give them an opportunity- not to give teams extra spots on their rosters. When they can play - they succeed- when they can’t - they make good money to enjoy a game.

The rules are IPP are set the way they are because you need to have a balanced roster across the league. The IPP rules never pigeon holed anyone - if the guy was good enough to get playing time and be on the roster - the team has the right to put him on the active roster or on the PS as an active player - 3 different IPP players over the years have made rosters and played in the NFL - including Obada. Many more never crack a line-up because they just are not good enough - including Wade. Wade was not anywhere near good enough to be on the active roster. By his own admission - he was still trying to learn plays and his responsibilities after 3 years. Therefore both Wade and the Bills felt his best spot was as an IPP player spot. If Wade felt he could play and the Bills didn’t- Wade could have not accepted the IPP designation and become a FA to land on another roster, but since after being cut - no one tried to pick him up - you have your answer - everyone including Wade knows that he was not ready. He had a nice story, but what are you expecting of him if he had gotten into a game. He was learning about blocking - so you couldn’t trust to have him out on a pass play. He stated that he struggled to understand how to read blocking because in Rugby there is no blocking - it is run to daylight and then get rid of the ball before being tackled - another foreign concept to him. In a real game - he would be going against guys that are significantly better athletes that he was - so suddenly the long runs in the preseason against guys that were not making the league are nullified by a LB that is his speed or faster.

You saw last year what extra picks do. We lost a guy drafted for IOL depth in Anderson and a DB depth pick in Wildgoose. Both guys they obviously wanted, but needed time. Why in the world would we want more picks that have no way to make the roster and are available for teams to grab with no loss. With a nearly full roster you are just begging for teams to steal your late round picks for nothing. Use the 5th, 6th round picks to move up and get me the players they want.

Nope - we do not need additional picks. Move up from 2nd round and 3rd - even round 1. Get me 4-5 guys in this draft to fill in. I don’t need 9-10 picks with this roster. Get me some talent to grow with.

Mostly the IPP gives a player growing up in a different culture a chance to learn American Football and in a few cases actual make it to a team. Without the IPP - these guys are not only not getting a protected spot, but they are not getting an opportunity at all. Wade without the IPP - never get a sniff of a football field. He even states after his 3 years he was still fundamentally learning how to handle the position. He made friends, learned about training and American Football needs, married his American wife, and got paid doing all of that. I don’t know how effective you expect it to be, but if anyone effectively makes the transition it is highly effective and when multiple people get a contract from the IPP - I think the NFL considers that a win for both international promotion and spreading of the game.

Yeah - I mean has never cut a draft pick in his time and he typically chooses guys to play based on draft picks status rather than on the how they play on the field. I mean I is not like Wade has come out and explained that he has struggled to learn the playbook and how intricate the plays are and where to go and what to do. It was all Beane’s Ego. JHC dude - 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Hill can’t play the Deebo role - he could not take that punishment. Neither Waddle or Hill at 185 soaking wet - can run through the line like a 220 pound Samuel. They have 2 speedy WRs that are best at running away from people and a QB that is best at short routes toward the middle of the field. I think Miami got faster, but I do not think Hill makes them a better team.

I think they were when you had Mahomes passing the ball and he could hit Hill or Kelce all over the field. Tua has not shown that - so teams are going (or should be) playing tighter with less fear of going over the top. I think Hill and Waddle are going to nickle and dime teams and be tough to stop, but that doesn’t scare me as an offense. Especially since Tua has struggled with quick short passes. Hill was a threat because he could beat you 60 yards down field or break off the route at 5 yards and be open. We will see, but Hill in a SF style offense with lots of short passes - is not a scary offense. It becomes a very precise offense that will struggle over time.

They are set up for a QB next off season, but they have an aging Hill right now. So you figure Tua’s not the guy after this year, then you trade up a ton of picks because they will end up middle part of the AFC - so you are trying to get from 20 to top 5 with a ton of ammo. In the mean time - Hill is 29 this year and has had trouble staying healthy. 30 next year with maybe a new rookie QB and 31 by the time the new QB has some experience - where is his speed at that point? Miami trading for Hill with Tua was a huge mistake to me - as the style doesn’t fit what Tua can do and his age means a young QB doesn’t fit the profile. It was grab a name guy and let’s see what we can do because we have not won and our former coach is talking about us paying to lose. Reeks of desperation.

Actually this is not quite true. The Bills will get the biggest outlay of cash, but The Bills did not get a tax break on the stadium. On the other hand - Yankee stadium was funded with 670 thousand dollars by the Yankees and about 1.2 billion in Public funding covering land, tax breaks, and actual funding. In addition, the tax breaks on the stadium and the land continue as part of the deal and it is estimated that between 5 and 10 billion more in taxes will not be paid by the Yankees over the life of the deal. When Yankee stadium was built there was minor outcry and it cost the Tax Payers significantly more and continues to cost more every year. The Barclays center in NYC was built and financed through public bonds for over 500 million dollars as tax exempt. Plus it required another 200 million to connect it to the subway line, use of eminent domain to take property, court battles, design and redesign costs, but somehow it gets built. It is still draining the taxpayers pocket, but again those funds got pushed through. Citi Field was 800 million with the state picking up 615 million in funding and tax breaks. Heck even Madison Square Garden was given a massive tax break starting in 1982 that right now saves them about 42 million annually in land tax. That means that single tax break has cost more than the Bills will get in this deal, but yet people certain people are complaining about the Bills. The Cost of the new Jets and Giants stadium is another huge tax shell game. The land in a prominent area was basically given away and the tax breaks they receive are enormous. The tax breaks alone will cover the funding the owners spent to build the stadium. It is stupid and it will pass and it will be just fine and in 5 years when complete- everyone will move on to something else.

I agree - I also think this will be a very deep UDFA class with all of the extra talent in the draft pool. I would be fine moving some depth players and mid/later picks to get a few earlier picks. Give me 4 higher picks and retain 1 later for a position like punter in the 6th or 7th and then fill in with post draft cuts and UDFAs. We lost 2 picks last year from our PS that were depth choices for this year. If we make 7 or 8 picks - more than likely it happens again as the roster is already deep.

Ahh - so you think they are trading Moss to move back to early round 2 for Hall. Got it. 😂

How would that work - Agents are capped at significantly less than 5% based on NFL/NFLPA rules. He might save 1% maybe doing this - which is potentially 2 million dollars on a 200 million dollar deal. He risks losing more by having a small loophole with a lawyer that missed something because he does not deal with the Salary Cap and NFL lawyers. I have no issue with him doing it, but the reality is the Agents make a lot, but if you are a top end talent - they also spend a lot of time massaging the deal to benefit you as a player because that benefits them as an agent.

It was very interesting listening to the team on the Fan here in Rochester - it was some feed with a round table with Jason LaCanfora and a few other insiders - maybe Rapport was on it. They said it was never a big deal because most contracts it was 1-2 years of guaranteed money in the past. The owners were putting 15-20 million away over 2 years and therefore only losing a small amount of interest. Now the contracts (especially after Watson) are becoming closer to 100% guaranteed and 6-7 years - therefore a guy like Mike Brown not only has to be willing and able to put 230-250 million in an escrow - he can’t touch, access, or get the interest on that money - meaning the owners are then losing out on huge money over the course of 7 years just with interest- let alone investing it someplace. But I totally agree - I don’t see how Brown in Cincinnati can do a contract like that, but they are going to have to figure things out.

It was interesting as I listened to guys from the Owners meeting talking about QB contracts and LJ. Basically - the premise is that according to the CBA any guaranteed money in the contract has to be placed immediately in an escrow account and is not available to the owner after that point. It prevents an owner from going bankrupt and the NFL being on the hook for the money. In talking with Baltimore owners and front office - the reporter basically came out and said they did not want to tie that much money into an escrow account to have the huge guaranteed money like Watson. He is fine doing a big contract, but wants only a fraction 25% or less guaranteed. The reporters were saying they expect this to be a Kirk Cousins style showdown where they franchise tag him at least twice and then look to trade him rather than tie upwards of 230 million into an escrow. It bears watching because they said they got similar vibes from Arizona and Cincinnati ownership with the guaranteed money. They expect at least 2 of these 3 franchises will end up franchising and trading their QB to avoid the 100% guaranteed contract.

How about drag in your own beer in homage to those great days.😂

I think you forgot the “U”. Whou? Andy or Darren Daulton - former Phillie - of course

So the question becomes quite simply if you take the Ball and Allen leads us to a TD - are you kicking the XP or going for 2. Because if you take the ball and are assuming both teams are going to score - I can assure you Reid would be going for 2 on his terms to keep the ball from Allen on the sudden death round.

So you think a coach that just watched a team drive down the field to score on your defense and then you matched - you now know that it will go to sudden death and you may never touch the ball and you think the majority of coaches go for the tie. No way - this is not the 70’s - we saw it play out a bunch during the season - many teams even in the regular season went for 2 and the win. In addition- several teams passed on tying FGs to try and score TDs to win games. I think there would be a rare coach that might try to tie, but I think the majority go for the win.

None of those are guaranteed to happen. You could go first and fumble the kickoff and lose before your offense ever gets out and that is a viable outcome. The point being - if you take the ball first because you want the ball first in Sudden Death - you are already looking past the first 2 drives and are assuming you will still be tied - so you can then get the ball to win. The reality is whoever gets the ball first can do any number of things from punting, getting stopped on downs, turnovers, safety, field goals, TDs, and TDs with 2 point conversion. The 2nd team has the exact same ability to do all same things, but with an advantage - they know exactly what they need to do to win. That does not mean they can do it, but they know exactly what must be done. Essentially after team 1 goes and does whatever they are going to do - it almost immediately becomes sudden death because if you kicked a field goal - the other team knows a TD wins. You score a TD and kick the XP - they know to avoid the third possession- go for two - I will win or lose right then. Why would I want another team to dictate what I am doing - I don’t want them to dictate - I want to know what I have to do to win the game. Team 2 could could just as easily stop team 1 - the difference is the 4th downs. Team one faces a 4th and 4 at the 30 yard line on the opening drive - do they kick the FG or do they go for it. Most likely they are kicking the FG to get the score. Team 2 faces the same decision 4th and 4 at the 30 yard line after holding the other team to a FG - what decision do you make? Because they know team 1 then can win with any score - I think teams are more likely to go for it and win or lose that way. Think of the Bills going for the win in Tennessee rather than tying the game. It might not always work, but if I am a coach - I want that option of playing a drive to win at the end.

Have you read the thread or is losing the war causing to much strife? It would of cost just under 4 million about 250-400,000 less, but he would be a FA next year with 20+ games of film. If nothing changed from this year and he was adequate - Mark Glowinski or Conner Williams level - young FA guard switching teams - he would get 6-7 million AAV So you would lose 400,000 for this year, but have to factor in 3 years 18 million (Glowinski contract) - so he would cost 4 years 22 million approximately if we used the 2nd round tender - plus highly likely we lose him after the year and must replace both starting guards. So over the life of this current contract we will most likely save about 6 million dollars and he is locked in.

No what is said is the only way for team #1 to guarantee a 3rd possession is if team 1 scores a TD and a 2 pt conversion. All of the others ways would give a 3rd possession correct and have been mentioned previously, but non are guaranteed. The difference being if Team 1 performs any of the first 4 options - team 2 has a chance to finish the game and outright win or lose without ever getting to sudden death. That does not mean they will, but they have that ability. There is absolutely nothing Team #1 can do that wins the game on the 1st possession. Team 2 will always get the ball and have a chance to win or tie the game.

Actually the county executive talked about this. The Pegula’s will be responsible for cost overruns if it is related to changes and updates they want with the stadium. If the state or county wants additional changes or things overrun because of their decisions/delay - they will have a contingency fund to pay those overruns. The idea is most overruns should be of a nature the Pegula’s will pay, but not all overruns will fall to them.

I did not bold it - you did when you quoted me.