Billzgobowlin

That's a good argument but we all know ebbs and flows of the season dictate. The only reason they went anywhere that season was Brees and what you are witnessing is a defense that can't make plays because they are constantly on the field. The game really got out of hand because the offense wasn't able to sustain and the defense got tired. If the Bills were down 21-14 would the defense be so tired. Tyrod other than the first drive looked horrid and it snowballed from there.

The best I can tell is they are grooming Peterman or they honestly believe Taylor gives them the best chance to win. One thing we don't know is what the coaches know, that being how ready is Peterman to take the pressure of starting.

Yeah I am going into this weird deja vu from last night....

Wish we had a RB like Jonathan Williams that has great potential

Ok so I'll play. Saints were 20th in team defense that year we are 15th so far. Saints were 3rd in turnovers, Bills are first.

Is this McDerm's defense or Fraziers, it makes a big defense.

Their defense the Super Bowl year was bad. I don't disagree defense needs to be better but let's not pretend we have a QB that will do anything short of us having the 2000 Ravens defense.

I am not quite sure the difference between DT and DE as far as talent.... There are vets, undrafteds and first rounders on both positions. Neither has been particularly strong but the difference is the DTs are not counted on for putting pressure on the QB in this defense. I am curious if McDerm will get tired of watching Frazier's scheme, he has to take some of the blame. I can understand a couple of players underperforming but as much as they were all gelling as a defense at the beginning of the season they have been not working together at all the past two games, wonder if it has to do with the voice in the defensive room or just they are not good.

When were the Saints outscored 47-10 like the Bills were Sunday?

Which game were they outscored 47-10?

I was when they were 5-2, are these guys different. You can say we lost Dareus but he missed a few games and was rotational for the rest of them. The DTs are tired and need help. The embarrassment was the LBs. Not one shot the gaps and everyone was tackling behind them. Could the DTs done more sure but they weren't the big issue This defense wasn't about interior pressure, remember this is Frazier's defense not McDerm's. Why exactly are the DEs not held accountable for pass rush?

I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that Peterman wouldn't have done anything more than Taylor in the first 58 minutes. Taylor has a skillset that hasn't been utilized much this year. Peterman we will find out is a better passing QB but if Taylor is allowed or willing to create with his legs then he becomes the superior one, too bad that hasn't happened with the game in doubt the last two weeks.

No never said anything about the run defense rather the DTs will be fine, not right after the last two games but name a player that shined the last two weeks. I don't think these two games you can learn about any player right now.

They have all done it multiple times. Brees and Rodgers have played on teams with horrible defenses

Ok you win two games. As bad as they have been they were that good earlier this year against the run against good running teams.

This still doesn't mean he is not playing

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees. They have all done it at one time. Also better QBs don't go three and out as much as we have the past two weeks

I was really impressed (garbage time or not) how he had a real good feel for routes. He went through multiple reads and only had one play to a RB/FB. Not yesterday though. I think Tyrod actually got worse the later it got, yet Peterman did well because he actually threw the ball

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game. The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.

41-19 is a very telling stat. That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes. You don't win games by not controlling the ball. Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team. DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game. Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

There certainly isn't enough to fire these two at all. Beane hasn't even been here for a draft. It is a process that needs to be finished, let's just hope it's another show me baby thing with this process.

This is not the first team to say this. If Tyrod wants to win next week he better learn how to throw and throw a lot. We go to the playoffs if he opens up a little, we are out if he doesn't

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB. They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better. Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

You think Kyle doesn't care? Watch Tyrod's presser, you think he doesn't care? If he doesn't he is a great actor.

The O line flat out needs to get better but we have to make the other teams respect the pass in order to be able to run and that is not happening. Dennison isn't fully the issue but are game plan on offense needs to be reverse. When we pass first in games we tend to do better on offense.