transplantbillsfan

Okay... time to offer more than you want to offer to get to #2 or #1... pretty simple.

Indy, I love ya, but take like a 4 or 5 week break from the board leading up to the draft. It's only going to get worse here in the next few weeks in terms of QB prospect talk.

It's the nature of message boards now... has been for quite some time now. Regardless of whether people present their opinions as facts, they are almost always very obviously merely opinion.

Yes yes yes yes!!! Those 4 QBs are the QBs I'm most excited about! And honestly I'll even be fine if we traded up a couple spots for Jackson. It's seriously baffling me that Allen has somehow been thrust unanimously in front of Jackson.

I agree... and I hope this combine/measurable process is pushing him down the draft a little so we can draft him. There won't be the same fanfare nationally for Buffalo if we draft Mayfield as there would be if we drafted Darnold or Rosen, but I really think Mayfield is going to be the best QB in this class.

You keep saying these same things in posts where people are talking about prospects. Why are you so frustrated that people here have opinions on how successful certain prospects will or won't be in the NFL?

If we draft Allen, I'm going to have more confidence in AJ McCarron becoming our Franchise QB than Josh Allen.

No way... Stafford was sooOOooo much better in college. And Favre played college ball 30 years ago when the game wasn't nearly as QB friendly... and he was a 2nd round pick. Nope.

Weird... you bring up a QB on another team in a thread about our future QB... Why? oh... and... You were also on the EJ train, too. But I'll thank you for the post, nonetheless ???? black population of less than 1%??? Where did that analyzing lead you??? Favre also played in the 80s in college... and he was a 2nd round pick, not a top 10 pick as Allen is projected.

EJ had all the physical tools and the willingness to work hard. God, I just looked at the scouting reports for both Allen and Manuel and even those are much too similar to be comfortable drafting him. Stafford was significantly more successful than Allen against a significantly higher level of competition. Forgetting scouting reports for a moment... Stafford was incredibly successful and got better every single year at a big time school in a big time conference and ALSO had all the physical attributes. Allen regressed at a small school against crappy competition.

Exactly!!! This is just head-scratching!!! My question for absolutely ANYONE is whether there's EVER been a QB playing for a relatively small school like Wyoming who didn't dominate the college competition who's been successful at the NFL level? Seriously... has that EVER happened? Big Ben dominated his lesser competition in college. So did Flacco. So did Wentz. Allen... not so much... and that's being generous.

This is all fine and dandy, the problem is he's going to be a high 1st round draft pick (unless there's been a whooOOOoooolllee lotta smokescreening, which wouldn't surprise me), rather than a mid round pick, which is where project QBs who are raw and need a ton of good coaching to reach their full potential are generally drafted... or should be. And one would think our fan base learned that from the last dude we overdrafted in the 1st round.

Probably because he resembles EJ Manuel... raw but with all the physical attributes to play the position.

Waiting for our trade up to #2, but if it doesn't happen, I think this is what happens. And I'll be excited about Jackson, too.

No crap. I've been saying that the whole time. But why would I want him? ...or never make it to the NFL

Seriously. I know that people here really believe in him... why? Plenty of past NFL players have been drafted for physical potential (Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, etc) and have simply flamed out. I've never seen a college QB so devoid of college production being propped up this much based off of what I can only believe to be purely physical potential. It's head scratching and infuriating because this guy looks like a project 2nd or 3rd round QB at best, to me. What are people focused on? Throws he can make??? Haven't we had enough of these project QBs that are "balls of clay" for us to mold? There's something I'm missing. What is it? I know there isn't a single QB in the NFL HOF with his forgettable production from a second-rate college football program like Wyoming. Is he supposedly going to break that trend? What the hell... someone explain this to me so I can get behind him sooner rather than later if we draft him... hopefully, we don't. EDIT: Changed the title since people think this is still an ongoing conversation. I'm already convinced he'll be better than I thought. I hated the pick when it happened... absolutely loathed it. But you can all be happy because my love of previous Bills QBs has never actually panned out, so me hating this pick (initially, now I'm pretty good with it) is a great sign for us Bills fans because Allen will likely be our savior. You're welcome

Mayfield

Well this is a nice surprise... you and I prioritize the QBs in this class in almost exactly the same way

I think the Browns are taking Darnold, particularly after what looked like a potentially historic pro-day for him, which is a shame because he and Mayfield are the 2 QBs I want most.

If it happens it happens and we'll all get behind Allen eventually. But for a coach and GM that have been pretty water tight over the last year in terms of leaks I just think there's way too much of a public connection here for this interest to be this real or this strong.

It's baffling to me that all Bills fans don't feel this way.

To the first question, you search for the best player in every draft at the time you're drafting. If you're drafting at the top of that draft... yeah, you're drafting a guy who you think could be a HOFer. Top of the draft yields more HOFers than any other area of the draft, plain and simple. Between 1936-1997 there were 111 former 1st round draft picks inducted into the HOF. 31% of all those guys were drafted as the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd picks of the draft. 12% of all those guys were the 1st overall pick. To the 2nd question, that's not my job, that's Beane's job.

Wow!!! I just looked at Yolo's thread about the rumored trade up and if it's true that's what the Bills proposed I was dead on

Who's this "us" and "we" you're referring to as though we take part in what we should keep and not keep? No, we didn't inherit Cordy Glenn, McDermott and Beane did. And did they use him AT ALL last year? Can you, miss something you never really used? Last year Dawkins and Mills we're our tackles and McDermott never ever knew an offense that consisted of Cordy Glenn as LT. And we didn't inherit the 21st and 22nd pick, McDermott and Beane earned them when they traded down in the draft last year. Someone else referenced Schopp in this thread... no, I definitely didn't call in I've never listened to him. I live 6,000 miles away from Buffalo. Maybe he's a TBD member

You're seriously underpaying if you think that's how we get to #2. I just think that won't get it done. Yeah I think that's about right. Might need to throw in a 4th rounder this year, though. A GM should do his HW and draft a QB in the top of the draft assuming, based on your scouting, that he's going to be a future HOFer. You don't refuse to go after that QB simply because the historical odds are he won't.