transplantbillsfan

With what? You need to probably wait at least a year and a half until Allen even sees meaningful regular season action, maybe longer. Don't waste your energy on being so frustrated so early... you have a loooooong time to deal with passing talk about how bad he's likely going to be as a pro until you have any regular season NFL play to use to debunk that belief.

You're living in a dream world. Absolutely no chance that both our 1sts this year and our 1st next year would get this done. If they Giants made that deal, Gettleman wouldn't keep his job very long. It's going to require at least one of our 2nd rounders and probably one of our 3rd rounders, as well.

God... McShay should be embarrassed for this being publicized

This must be a typo... you mean Allen, right?

And hey... the Patriots probably have an interest in Jackson, in part, because the Eardhart-Perkins offense they run is what Jackson ran at Louisville. Hey, what offense do we run again?

StoooOOOOoopppp Stafford played in the SEC at Georgia and went to major bowl games and won and most importantly, Stafford drastically improved every single year he was in college. In Stafford's last year he had a 61.4% completion %, threw for almost 3500 yards at 9 YPA. Comparing Allen to Stafford is laughable.

We're making the playoffs again this year. Calling that now... partially because I just think McDermott and the team are going to find a way to improve on last year and partially just to debunk the ridiculously preemptive negativity 5 months from the start of the regular season.

Just get Mayfield or Darnold and all will be well with the world

Do we even have a QB coach to coach him?

Love it. Seems realistic. Honestly, I have ZERO knowledge of any college players outside the prospects being talked about as 1st rounders, so I'm hoping Beane and McDermott do what they did last year and draft well in later rounds (Milano & Dawkins) while also sniffing around the league for scraps from other teams who might be diamonds in the rough (Deonte Thompson, Travaris Cadet, Marcus Murphy, etc.) and maybe some of our other young hopefuls come along this year and really surprise us (Zay Jones, Brandon Reilly, Rod Streater, Adolphus Washington, John Miller, Ryan Groy, etc.) and we become a perfect storm coming together for a 2018 Super Bowl run Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

This is pretty universally viewed as one of the strongest, most top-heavy QB drafts maybe since the 1983 draft. 4 QBs are almost certainly going in the top 10. 5 QBs are almost certainly going in the 1st round. Yet, no one can agree on who the absolute best, can't-miss guy is, which is what makes this so interesting and why the conversation is so persistent. All these guys have their flaws. And to top it off, while the Bills aren't currently in position to get one of the 3 or 4 best QBs in this draft, Beane and McDermott almost perfectly played their hands since last year's draft by accumulating more draft capital in the first 3 rounds than any other NFL team. The Buffalo Bills will almost certainly be trading up in order to draft our first Franchise QB in 22 years. There's a reason this is justifiably a serious and heavily discussed topic.

Yeah, he can fall to 12. But that very phrasing is exactly why we need to trade up in the draft. A lot of things can happen with these QBs, but one thing is for sure, we absolutely need to draft a QB in this draft as we only have 2 QBs on our roster. And on top of that, I don't think any sane person would call Peterman or McCarron our future Franchise QB, so we should be doing everything we can to get one. We have more draft capital than maybe we've ever had. Now is the time.

Well... I've always thought it was childish to report other posters... like going and telling mommy. But I guess from now on when Thurm attacks me or derails the conversation by bringing up old baggage that isn't remotely relevant to the conversation, I'll report the post to the mods. I understand completely. And agree. I changed my Jordan Palmer post to more fully reflect what I meant. Bad NFL QBs are the guys who often grow into good analysts, media personalities, and even "gurus" for some reason. And it's ironic. Saying the same thing, just bringing up the other obvious example from the thread

Wouldn't the same principal apply for Orlovsky, then?

Makes sense, I will no longer say a single word to Thurm on this board unless he addresses me directly. Good enough? Jordan Palmer... I'm not saying you're the one glorifying him, necessarily. I'm saying that bad NFL QBs seem to be the ones who end up being pundits, gurus, analysts, and experts.

Well... what about the irony of a guy who lasted 6 years in the NFL and threw 18 regular season passes as some new "QB guru" to be glorified?

This was the game I posted earlier in this thread from youtube. You can watch every throw from it. And this was a play that jumped out at me. I feel like all of Allen's most glaring weaknesses are the same glaring weaknesses of the guy we just traded. Actually, seems to be the weakness of the last two QBs we got rid of. Go to separate rooms until you can get along? Are your preschoolers communicating via teleconference or telepathically? Or when do you determine that they can get along if they aren't even interacting?

Been trying to talk about Josh Allen in this Josh Allen thread. Instead, I keep getting attacked by that arrogant douche. Bullies don't get free hall passes.

"We get it" Who's this "we," Thurm? You hearing voices again? You and I are the only ones talking about this... well, actually you're the only one talking about me and Tyrod in a thread you created that has to do with Josh Allen. It's just weird. And you seem even more miserable than you normally are. Why is that? I hope you're keeping your Internet self out of your day-to-day personal self, otherwise you're probably just all alone having been abandoned after everyone you know realizes you have unmatched arrogance and stubbornness, extreme tunnel vision, no sense of humor and are probably homophobic. I always thought you were just one of the Eeyores in the guise of someone reasonable on this message board, but if you even half resemble your Internet self in real life... good God help your family and friends!

Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold, please.

I watched and listened to this... it was an unreal joke. Sam Darnold apparently won't be any worse than Andrew Luck and Baker Mayfield won't be any better than Case Keenum in his world. Right after the segment, it was nice to have Joel Platt come on and basically call him an idiot very nicely. That's all he's trying to be. He's a severe homer who throws out a bunch of idiotic stuff to get ratings. I'll admit it's fun to listen to sometimes, but only because of the sheer stupidity of what he often says. You're being awfully generous giving him Wingo there...

Virtually exactly what I think should happen. Exactly the amount I think it should cost. And considering we acquired our extra 1st rounder from a combination of trading down to 27 last year while still drafting a guy with top 10 worthy production, trading a Tackle who never saw the field with the new regime, our extra 2nd rounder trading a talented but oft-injured WR who would have cost a fortune to keep at this point and never saw the field with the new regime, and our extra 3rd rounder trading a QB the new regime inherited and clearly wanted to upgrade on for a price most seem to agree was well above market value, sending those picks to the Giants to get our Franchise QB for the next 15-20 years is something everyone should be willing, if not eager to do That's actually a very fair value for the 2nd pick, believe it or not. We kinda do. Is there any other team with 6 picks in the first 3 rounds???

I would take Andy Dalton over RG3.

But not nearly as much bust as Allen, either, IMO

Love it... only jersey I currently own