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Then how do you explain that the guy McDermott fired at OC had Josh running via designed runs and scrambles 4.2 times per game while the guy he hired as Interim OC and then retained permanently in that position had Josh running 9.7 times a game? Brady doesn't sound like he had the offense very "buttoned up," at least based on your definition. Also, I don't think 31 other coaches say that, either. Lamar falls into a similar bucket as Allen. Maybe Hurts, to a lesser extent. I'm a little mystified that you think every QB needs to be judged and evaluated as QBs by the same set of standards. A good coach knows the talent he has at specific positions and uses it. However buttoned up McDermott might be, he understands the stallion he has at QB and chose the OC that had him running almost 10 times a game.

Shaw, all of this neglects to consider the fact that his off-script plays might be part of the script in the first place if you can acknowledge that going beyond read #1 is still part of the script. Does anyone really think that his coaches are stressing the point to him that he needs to always get to his 3rd or 4th read? His coaches have obviously understood his athleticism throughout his whole career and have incorporated running as part of the progressions, so to speak. You really think there's never been a point where his OC has said "OK Josh, if it's man coverage and your 1st read is covered and it's a 2 high shell, RUN!!!!"? I think 2023 was evidence itself that Josh scrambling has been part of the coaching. Look at his rushes for the first half of 2023 with Dorsey vs the 2nd half with Brady. Heck, just look at the "low positive" attitude Dorsey was clearly coaching into him. Just note the fact that during the time Dorsey was coaching in 2023, Allen ran less than 5 times per game. When Brady took over, that number doubled and he ran almost 10 times a game. As for all the "in-structure" stuff, Josh is actually pretty good and getting better. When Josh does pass the ball in under 3 seconds he has the 2nd fastest release of any QB in the NFL. When he does get the ball out in under 2 1/2 seconds (which is 47 percent of his passes), he completes 78% of his passes. That's #1 in the NFL. And Josh had the lowest turnover worthy play percentage of his entire career at 3%. He was just really unlucky. (EDIT: All the stats above are courtesy of Joe Marino in his QB roster evaluation he did a month or so ago. He's said in the past he pays for subscriptions to various sites like PFF for thier Advanced metrics, so that's probably what they're from) Saying Josh can improve is fine because every NFL player can improve, Including Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. Positing that Josh has more ground to make up as a QB than especially Burrow is, I think, silly.

I agree with you regarding Lamar, but I think it's stupid that he's probably more of a lock for the HOF than Josh right now. Josh has almost 60 more TDs over the span of his career (both drafted in 2018), lots more wins, lots more total yards, lots more 4th Quarter Comebacks, lots more Game Winning Drives, lots more playoff wins, etc. Yet....

Here's the problem with on-script plays for a QB in the NFL: The other 10 players on offense need to do their job and be on the same page as Allen. So was it Allen or Gabe more to blame for multiple incompletenes along with a few interceptions on option routes that happened during the season? Was it Allen or Dawkins more to blame for the incomplete pass to Shakir at the end of the drive in the KC game? Multiple examples of this. Also, I disagree on your assessment of Mahomes. Mahomes is just as scattershot as Allen is, if not moreso, at executing plays as designed and on schedule. I think your assessment of Allen lacks the nuanced focus of what's actually happening on the OL. Which statement here do you think is more true: Josh Allen has let down his OL throughout his career by getting unnecessarily sacked and pressured when he could have gotten the ball to the WR as determined by the playcall. OR Josh Allen has made his OLs look better throughout his career by avoiding pressure, sacks, and making incredible plays only he and maybe a couple other guys can make. ?????????????? Based on your argument, I would assume you believe statement 1 is the more true statement. I'm not a film buff, but I listen to and read a lot of them. Based on your criteria of 75% (30-32 out of 40), I think Josh is actually already pretty Elite even in the category you don't think he is. Frankly, I also don't think that when your QB rips off an unscripted 50+ yard TD run in a playoff game that it's an indication of anything other than greatness. How about his supporting cast and coaching?

Shaw I think your explanation in the previous post is fine except for bringing Burrow into the conversation and putting him above Josh. I think Burrow is the most overrated QB in the NFL. That's not because I don't think he's really good. It's because he's less of a Tractor and more of a Trailer than Mahomes, Josh and Lamar. Burrow has been widely talked about by many (not all, but a significant and loud enough portion of the national sports media) as the 2nd best QB in the NFL when I think he’s more clearly the 4th or 5th. Aside from his injury history and the whole "the best ability is availability" thing, Burrow had arguably the best WR corps I. The NFL the last few years along with a top 10 RB group. I used to question Mahomes's greatness because he had 2 HOF players as his #1 weapons in Hill and Kelce. I can't question that anymore. I frankly look at Burrow and wonder why the label of greatness was given to him so quickly by so many. I can answer my own question and get to the Super Bowl appearance, but let's be honest, there's a lot of luck involved in winning in the playoffs and getting to the Super Bowl. Fact is that Burrow and Mahomes both began their careers with at least a couple E.lite weapons in the passing game and were able to grow into being great QBs with that crutch (along with an Offensive HC of course) and are only now backsliding a little into losing those weapons and needing to be the full Tractor. Mahomes is that Dude. I'm honestly skeptical of Burrow being there considering since his National Championship year in College he's always had more than 1 Elite weapon. And by the way, Burrow has had 2 great seasons total in the NFL. That's it. And he only reached 40 TDs in one of those seasons. And it's not like you can say he was incredible protecting the Football because he had at least 15 turnovers in both of those seasons. Contrast those 2 with Josh Allen, who has been given the opposite trajectory. A horrible roster and no weapons in year 1. A couple pretty good weapons finally in year 2. It wasn't til year 3 he finally got an Elite weapon in Diggs, but he's never had 2 the way Burrow and Mahomes have for multiple years at the beginning of their careers. Hopefully next year is the year he finally has 2+ of them through some combination of Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, rookie WR, etc. But that would be his 7th year before he finally got what Mahomes and Burrow started their careers with. Josh Allen is better than Burrow. He's been the ultimate Tractor carrying this team since his rookie year. If the real criticism of Allen with relattin to this Burrow vs Allen argument is #QBwinz then maybe what McDermott really needs to consider is going old school and start using Allen on D as an LB as well as our QB.

A poor man's Roethlisberger??? Look... maybe Josh never gets the 2 Super Bowls Big Ben got (I think he will, though), but Josh is already better than Big Ben or Phillip Rivers ever were.

Yes... this is the only way we trade our 1st. I actually think it would be worth it for any of those 3 guys as long as we aren't giving away too much more than next year's 1st. In 2011 Atlanta traded up from 27 to 6 and gave up that year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th and the following year's 1st and 4th. For me if Odunze falls to the 10ish range and we can make a similar trade that the Falcons did, but keep our 2nd this year, I would say do it.

Ya know what I think this deal very well might mean... Tre White back in Buffalo in 2025. I don't absolutely think it happens, but if Tre plays well or decent in LA, his contract is up. Who else has a contract up at the end of the year that Buffalo strangely hasn't extended yet???? Rasul Douglas. Add in what revealing comments McDermott and Beane made the other day and the combo of this one year deal with another team and the clear desire on McBeane's part to eventually see Tre again... just don't be surprised

Wait... so now Josh needs to tell us what's wrong with his game and tell us what he's correcting because otherwise he's not correcting it??? Everyone in the national media has consensus on one thing with Josh Allen: Competitiveness. If you honestly think Josh isn't spending the offseason working on his game, you're an idiot. He's just older now and understands the entire public isn't entitled to knowledge of every detail of his offseason or personal life... note how he's handled the new girlfriend.

Isn't this the same thread?????

I mention this somewhere else, but I listen to a lot of the podcasts with the film and scout guys. Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper, Nate Tice, Dane Brugler... etc. They stress that when scouting a prospect you really value the highs. Coleman's highs look pretty darn good. And I really think it's what he does on punt returns more than anything that convinces me to that the skepticism of his athleticism and potential is overblown.

So I posted this waaaayyyy back in the thread, but with all the talk about Coleman here it seems relevant I think Coleman is pretty impressive. Would be ecstatic getting him in the 2nd, but wouldn't be so surprised seeing him at 28

-Beane dug into Joe Brady's brain with regard to Curtis Samuel, so you better believe Brady's got some ideas already on how to use him. -Thought the Tre comment was interesting. Would it even be feasible to bring him back again this offseason? -Sure sounds like we're going with the guys we have at Safety. Almost politely dismissed the idea of Micah coming back by making it seem kinda far-fetched and emphasized DT, not Safety was priority #1 in FA. -Sounds like the door might be open for Cook to get a 2nd contract in Buffalo based on the way Beane talked about the evolution of RBs like Saquan and CMC in offenses. -Groot's 5th year option will be picked up if he's not extended first. -We have $6-$7 million in available CAP space.

Now we get Austin Johnson. I think at this point every position on D will be better than 2023 except Safety now with our FA acquisitions, returning injured players and having Rasul for the full season. D better

Whatever bro. Call me a homer. You're an Eeyore. Serious pessimist who must be a blast at parties. I understand why people like you are the way you are when it comes to the Bills... the only way is up from your perspective. It's not that I doubt your Fandom. I just think you refuse to have a positive outlook even when the positive outlook is more reasonable than the negative. So much stupidity in your posts responding to me in this thread that all it clearly ends up being is Ad Hominem. You just leave out so much in your posts that I brought up that it's hard to take you seriously. It's like you just want to endure to be the last one in the argument no matter how stupid what you say is. Well, you win. I'm done arguing with you in this thread. I think your ego needs the W more than mine. Enjoy your offseason. I hope the clouds clear a little and the Sun pokes through. Come back and say hi and celebrate when we get 12+ wins in 2024

Joe Brady was the Passing Coordinator of arguably the greatest offense in College Football history. And he wasn't a Figurehead like Bienamy in KC. Joe Burrow has come out in interviews talking about what he did for them. As for that Carolina team, they were 16th (average) in offensive DVOA in 2020 despite having Teddy Bridgewater at QB, Mike Davis (???) at RB, DJ Moore, Robbie Chosen and Curtis Samuel at WR and Chris Manhertz (???) at TE. Your Monken comparison is ridiculous. If Brady got that group to be an average NFL offense, I think we can establish he knows a little something. Also, Babbich will obviously be supervised by McDermott, who hasn't even conceded playcalling duties to him, yet. Josh is a year older and more experienced. The age he is currently is when it's widely believed that QBs enter their prime. Plus we hopefully don't see a shoulder injury hamper him most of the season. Plus a full offseason in Joe Brady's system... see everything previously said about Joe Brady. Regarding RB, did you notice our shifted focus when Brady took over? I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I hope you watched the whole season and noticed that difference. Plus Ty Johnson is a weapon... moreso than Murray or Harris were. Whole offseason to utilize him. plus I'm betting/hoping Cook gets on the jugs machine more Regarding WR, I generally agree, but I also think the NFL is going to more of the "positionless" players. Plus, to be honest... we all agree Josh Allen’s best year was 2020, right? Josh's top 2 WRs were Stefon Diggs and Cole Beasley. Gabe Davis was 3rd with John Brown just a couple receptions behind him. Mack Hollins had a year in Vegas in 2022 just like Davis's 2020 season. I still know we will add a WR high in the draft, but that only makes this point stronger. I could see the Bills taking a guy like McConkey because Josh really thrives with WRs who can separate, not the big "contested catch" guys. He had those guys in his rookie year. Remember how that went? Oh come on... seriously???? The TEs will obviously be better. I said undecided for this, but I think Edwards at LG is really about the same. Dude was a legit starter in the NFL. McGovern is a question mark, but he has been a Center before. He's also 20 lbs heavier than Morse and as I've mentioned I know Beane wants a bigger, stouter IOL to account for the rapidly improving NFL DTs. I noticed you only brought up 2/5ths of our OL. Interesting.... Agree Oh now just shut up... all credibility lost. We get Milano back after not having him for 13 regular season games and 2 playoff games and you can't even just say they'll be better.... oooookkaaayyyy brooooo Douglas with a full season and offseason with the Bills???? Seriously??? And Elam was a 1st round CB who has made plays in big games. Plus lots of Bills media with their ears to the ground think Buffalo will shift to a lot more Man principles this season. I don't know about the other depth, but i think Ingram is a sleeper. Also, when has McDermott not made it work with CBs??? From milking the best from Kevin Johnson to EJ Gaines to UDFA Levi Wallace to 7th round pick Dane Jackson... McDermott is a secondary coach first and foremost and will make the secondary work. Agree generally, but see what you just said about Micah and Poyer and what I said about McDermott. McDermott has a history stretching back to his time with the Eagles of making Lemonade out of Lemons with the safety position. We now have Taylor Rapp, Cam Lewis, Mike Edwards and Damar Hamlin. I think we add to that, but I also think McDermott would make that work. Neal wasn't very good this season according to film gurus. I noticed he's the only one you brought up... Interesting....

Josh Said something in his (I believe) EOY presser about changing some of his offseason habits this year.

Something I notice you did here--which you have a tendency of doing--is avoid the heart of the issue by deflecting. You imitated my post below with the Ravens as your case study Now, instead of deflecting and trying to argue that "every fanbase can (and of course they will... they're fans) make the same argument that their team will be better and therefore no teams will actually be better" ... can you instead provide your honest opinions about where I was wrong and why? I provided 14 categories on the team and I think 9 will be better, 1 will be the same, 1 I'm undecided on, and 2 will be worse. Since the thread is about how the Bills, NOT the Ravens will be better in 2024, where do you think I'm wrong and why?

Yes I think they will

How much do you think Haack will understand he's getting paid despite not being able to make the team?

Why did we sign Haack????

I mean... he sure fits the athleticism mould McBeane looks for. And 5 sacks in the 8 games he started after all the Washington trades are impressive.

That was easy... thanks for proving my point We all get things wrong. It's the human condition.

Did every one have 2 All-Pro starters knocked out most of the year and another HOF starter who was still clearly hampered by an injury the year before? Actually... 2 All-Pro starters and one Pro-Bowl level starter. Forgot about Tre White, who was back to form to start the season. Monken already had a full offseason to prepare and implement his own offense. These 2 situations aren't the same and you know it. This wreaks of someone just desperately trying to win an argument hoping no one blows down his Straw Men. Again... no. You're comparing apples and oranges, but especially with that Monken comparison you're just painting the orange red and hoping no one takes a bite. Monken was hired as OC 7 months before the 2023 season. Brady became interim OC 2 months into the season. Comparing those 2 and using that as one of your primary arguments is where your house of cards falls apart. I see that you named terms for yourself, but never gave me any... what am I supposed to do? EVERYONE, I WAS 100% WRONG ON TRE WHITE ABSOLUTELY BEING ON THE BILLS ROSTER IN 2024!!! There ya go

It weak. And again you just seem to latch onto singular ideas rather than bigger picture stuff. Was that you I offered the bet to? And you never took it... too bad Every Super Bowl winner gets a lot of luck.