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Isn't this the same thread?????

I mention this somewhere else, but I listen to a lot of the podcasts with the film and scout guys. Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper, Nate Tice, Dane Brugler... etc. They stress that when scouting a prospect you really value the highs. Coleman's highs look pretty darn good. And I really think it's what he does on punt returns more than anything that convinces me to that the skepticism of his athleticism and potential is overblown.

So I posted this waaaayyyy back in the thread, but with all the talk about Coleman here it seems relevant I think Coleman is pretty impressive. Would be ecstatic getting him in the 2nd, but wouldn't be so surprised seeing him at 28

-Beane dug into Joe Brady's brain with regard to Curtis Samuel, so you better believe Brady's got some ideas already on how to use him. -Thought the Tre comment was interesting. Would it even be feasible to bring him back again this offseason? -Sure sounds like we're going with the guys we have at Safety. Almost politely dismissed the idea of Micah coming back by making it seem kinda far-fetched and emphasized DT, not Safety was priority #1 in FA. -Sounds like the door might be open for Cook to get a 2nd contract in Buffalo based on the way Beane talked about the evolution of RBs like Saquan and CMC in offenses. -Groot's 5th year option will be picked up if he's not extended first. -We have $6-$7 million in available CAP space.

Now we get Austin Johnson. I think at this point every position on D will be better than 2023 except Safety now with our FA acquisitions, returning injured players and having Rasul for the full season. D better

Whatever bro. Call me a homer. You're an Eeyore. Serious pessimist who must be a blast at parties. I understand why people like you are the way you are when it comes to the Bills... the only way is up from your perspective. It's not that I doubt your Fandom. I just think you refuse to have a positive outlook even when the positive outlook is more reasonable than the negative. So much stupidity in your posts responding to me in this thread that all it clearly ends up being is Ad Hominem. You just leave out so much in your posts that I brought up that it's hard to take you seriously. It's like you just want to endure to be the last one in the argument no matter how stupid what you say is. Well, you win. I'm done arguing with you in this thread. I think your ego needs the W more than mine. Enjoy your offseason. I hope the clouds clear a little and the Sun pokes through. Come back and say hi and celebrate when we get 12+ wins in 2024

Joe Brady was the Passing Coordinator of arguably the greatest offense in College Football history. And he wasn't a Figurehead like Bienamy in KC. Joe Burrow has come out in interviews talking about what he did for them. As for that Carolina team, they were 16th (average) in offensive DVOA in 2020 despite having Teddy Bridgewater at QB, Mike Davis (???) at RB, DJ Moore, Robbie Chosen and Curtis Samuel at WR and Chris Manhertz (???) at TE. Your Monken comparison is ridiculous. If Brady got that group to be an average NFL offense, I think we can establish he knows a little something. Also, Babbich will obviously be supervised by McDermott, who hasn't even conceded playcalling duties to him, yet. Josh is a year older and more experienced. The age he is currently is when it's widely believed that QBs enter their prime. Plus we hopefully don't see a shoulder injury hamper him most of the season. Plus a full offseason in Joe Brady's system... see everything previously said about Joe Brady. Regarding RB, did you notice our shifted focus when Brady took over? I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I hope you watched the whole season and noticed that difference. Plus Ty Johnson is a weapon... moreso than Murray or Harris were. Whole offseason to utilize him. plus I'm betting/hoping Cook gets on the jugs machine more Regarding WR, I generally agree, but I also think the NFL is going to more of the "positionless" players. Plus, to be honest... we all agree Josh Allen’s best year was 2020, right? Josh's top 2 WRs were Stefon Diggs and Cole Beasley. Gabe Davis was 3rd with John Brown just a couple receptions behind him. Mack Hollins had a year in Vegas in 2022 just like Davis's 2020 season. I still know we will add a WR high in the draft, but that only makes this point stronger. I could see the Bills taking a guy like McConkey because Josh really thrives with WRs who can separate, not the big "contested catch" guys. He had those guys in his rookie year. Remember how that went? Oh come on... seriously???? The TEs will obviously be better. I said undecided for this, but I think Edwards at LG is really about the same. Dude was a legit starter in the NFL. McGovern is a question mark, but he has been a Center before. He's also 20 lbs heavier than Morse and as I've mentioned I know Beane wants a bigger, stouter IOL to account for the rapidly improving NFL DTs. I noticed you only brought up 2/5ths of our OL. Interesting.... Agree Oh now just shut up... all credibility lost. We get Milano back after not having him for 13 regular season games and 2 playoff games and you can't even just say they'll be better.... oooookkaaayyyy brooooo Douglas with a full season and offseason with the Bills???? Seriously??? And Elam was a 1st round CB who has made plays in big games. Plus lots of Bills media with their ears to the ground think Buffalo will shift to a lot more Man principles this season. I don't know about the other depth, but i think Ingram is a sleeper. Also, when has McDermott not made it work with CBs??? From milking the best from Kevin Johnson to EJ Gaines to UDFA Levi Wallace to 7th round pick Dane Jackson... McDermott is a secondary coach first and foremost and will make the secondary work. Agree generally, but see what you just said about Micah and Poyer and what I said about McDermott. McDermott has a history stretching back to his time with the Eagles of making Lemonade out of Lemons with the safety position. We now have Taylor Rapp, Cam Lewis, Mike Edwards and Damar Hamlin. I think we add to that, but I also think McDermott would make that work. Neal wasn't very good this season according to film gurus. I noticed he's the only one you brought up... Interesting....

Josh Said something in his (I believe) EOY presser about changing some of his offseason habits this year.

Something I notice you did here--which you have a tendency of doing--is avoid the heart of the issue by deflecting. You imitated my post below with the Ravens as your case study Now, instead of deflecting and trying to argue that "every fanbase can (and of course they will... they're fans) make the same argument that their team will be better and therefore no teams will actually be better" ... can you instead provide your honest opinions about where I was wrong and why? I provided 14 categories on the team and I think 9 will be better, 1 will be the same, 1 I'm undecided on, and 2 will be worse. Since the thread is about how the Bills, NOT the Ravens will be better in 2024, where do you think I'm wrong and why?

Yes I think they will

How much do you think Haack will understand he's getting paid despite not being able to make the team?

Why did we sign Haack????

I mean... he sure fits the athleticism mould McBeane looks for. And 5 sacks in the 8 games he started after all the Washington trades are impressive.

That was easy... thanks for proving my point We all get things wrong. It's the human condition.

Did every one have 2 All-Pro starters knocked out most of the year and another HOF starter who was still clearly hampered by an injury the year before? Actually... 2 All-Pro starters and one Pro-Bowl level starter. Forgot about Tre White, who was back to form to start the season. Monken already had a full offseason to prepare and implement his own offense. These 2 situations aren't the same and you know it. This wreaks of someone just desperately trying to win an argument hoping no one blows down his Straw Men. Again... no. You're comparing apples and oranges, but especially with that Monken comparison you're just painting the orange red and hoping no one takes a bite. Monken was hired as OC 7 months before the 2023 season. Brady became interim OC 2 months into the season. Comparing those 2 and using that as one of your primary arguments is where your house of cards falls apart. I see that you named terms for yourself, but never gave me any... what am I supposed to do? EVERYONE, I WAS 100% WRONG ON TRE WHITE ABSOLUTELY BEING ON THE BILLS ROSTER IN 2024!!! There ya go

It weak. And again you just seem to latch onto singular ideas rather than bigger picture stuff. Was that you I offered the bet to? And you never took it... too bad Every Super Bowl winner gets a lot of luck.

Hmmm... did I say young players getting better was the only reason? You seem to be latching strictly to that. Getting a healthy Von, Jones and Milano back is huge, as well. I'd say adding 3 now healthy players in 2024, 2 of whom were playing at game-wrecking All-Pro levels early last season and the other who was basically playing at that level up to the end of 2022 is a pretty big upgrade from 2023. And everyone needs to spare me the "Von is done" argument. I know right now @GunnerBill is arguing that the chances that Von Miller isn't totally shot is something like 5%. It's a ridiculous argument. Torn ACLs aren't oil changes. Players constantly say they don't feel back to themselves until their 2nd year back. Yes, there are exceptions, but that’s all they are. Just ask Tre White. Also, the Bills traded for Rasul Douglas halfway through the season and now he'll have a full offseason with the team. Same idea basically goes for Ty Johnson who came in late and didn't get the opportunity to play for awhile. Heck the same theory goes for Joe Brady. We all liked what he did when he had to pivot on a dime into the OC role while using someone else's playbook. Now he gets an entire offseason to examine the weapons he has and figure out how to best utilize him. And Brady isn't an unknown commodity as an Offensive Coordinator like Dorsey was... he has experience and he has success. What I sense you're doing right now is just moving the goalposts. It seems before you were arguing that the Bills roster will be worse, but now you're saying that sure, they might be better, but so will everyone else. Is that your argument? If so... and if you're latching to the "young guys developing" or "another year of chemistry with Josh Allen" then I count 4 rookie contract players (3 starters and 1 rotational guy who I think is about to be used as an X-factor) who are almost guaranteed to be better (Shakir, Torrence, Kincaid, & Bernard... and frankly I'd probably put Elam in this bucket) and 3 others who already played at a really high level in 2023, but I also think are very likely to be better (Bernard, Benford & Brown). Are you sure you can find 7 similar rookie contract players on other teams? And again... that wasn't my only cause for improvement.

The Bills are making moves. Ty Johnson back upgrades our RB corps from the beginning of the year considering how late he joined us last year. I think Curtis Samuel brings some serious juice to a meh WR corps along with a lot of creativity. Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina. Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel. One week into FA... this is pre-draft and with Blackmon currently visiting and a bunch of CAP space cleared, here's very simply the way I'll assess every position. Is it "better" or "worse" overall at this very moment. Better vs worse is NOT only determined by personnel, though. It's also determined by experience & chemistry building (like for Bernard, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid, & Torrence) and health (Josh, Milano & Jones) Feel free to disagree Coaching- BETTER QB- BETTER RB- BETTER (even if we only had 2, which we won't) TE- BETTER WR- BETTER OL- undecided (I honestly lean towards better, but I know I'd be called a homer. Center and LG are question marks, but I also think the right side of the line will be better) DE- BETTER (Already know I'll get pushback here based on Von. I will disagree. I really think Jonathan and Kline would be fine at #4 & #5 DT- WORSE (based on depth) LB- BETTER CB- BETTER SAFETY- WORSE (but honestly... if Blackmon signs and it's Blackmon and Rapp I lean better) PUNTER- same KICKER- BETTER Special Teams- worse So without a draft or a bunch of offseason acquisitions, unless you disagree with those assessments (and I embrace the discourse), I fail to see how this team will be worsenin 2024, barring significant injuries to its most important players.

Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina. Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel.

That would obviously be for Odunze... maybe Nabers. In 2011 when the Falcons traded up from 27 to 6, they gave up 5 draft picks: 2011 1st, 2nd & 4th round picks and 2012 1st & 4th. I know Beane loves trading up, but I absolutely can't see that happening. The outside outside thing I wonder about is Daboll, Schoein and the Giants sitting there at #6. How much does Daboll like Diggs? Would it be possible to rework Diggs's contract so it would be possible to trade him as part of a package that doesn't consist of an early draft pick next year? I absolutely don't think it happens because I really believe McBeane still think Diggs is a #1 and they're trying to retool this year while still winning, but that’s the only scenario I see where this is a non-zero chance.

I thought it was hilarious! John Cena's best work and the stuff involving William H Macy was Gold!

Guys... just ignore him. What Diggs does isn't any different than what Dion did with his contract. Diggs just likes playing the long game. Diggs is a Bill in 2024 and based on the Dead CAP 2025, too.

Interesting. Is Gabe a relative? Some of the miscommunication plays may have been somewhat on Josh, but objectively the VAST majority of plays involving miscommunication in 2023 were between Josh and Gabe. I can't find the advanced stats and I think Joe Marino finds them through a paid PFF subscription, but Josh's passer rating this year was AWFUL when targeting Gabe. It was in the low 70s if I remember correctly from his podcast. Go ahead... pin all of that on Josh... it'll say a lot about you

Yeah it would be the same pre-McBeane. Not anymore, obviously We all felt that way when we brought Jordan Poyer in as our SS. Look at Sean McDermott's history coaching Safety. You don't have to trust him. I do. Tua is still their QB, right? And??? Samuel plays all over the place.

Nah... it's an issue of utilization. Shakir wasn't utilized much at all in the first half of the season. Then he was. Everyone knows what Gabe is... it's not like we had to discover he was a _________ player. Who was better over the 2nd half of the season. Not even an argument, right? That and the inability to be on the same page with Josh, which I was more disappointed in this season. There are multiple interceptions and missed big plays including TDs from 2023 that were on plays where Josh and Gabe clearly weren't on the same page.