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Yo. Good call homie.

Welp, this thread being brought back to life proves for the 6,427th time: I'm an idiot. Not only was the draft community not too LOW on Troy Franklin, they were actually MUCH too high on him. I'm fairly certain no one here listens much to what I say as it is anyway, but...I'd recommend you go elsewhere for your lottery numbers.

"I don't want my bowl all flooded!" 😅 I'll say this about Keon Coleman: Dude is objectively hilarious. He's a character. Someone on Twitter said Coleman should be Mic'd up all season long, and I agree. The huddles with him and Josh Allen and Dawkins are gonna be goddamned hilarious. I'm rooting for him. Smart, hard working, high character, football junkie...and most of all, brimming with personality and a great sense of humor. We had a deficit in that department with the loss of Tre White, so I'm glad we brought another joker on board.

Thanks. The only thing with that is... Is he a head case? Did thing get bad with the Saints in part because he himself is difficult on some way? I genuinely don't know the answer, I'm just asking because it seems like the Bills are very purposefully trying to reset their locker room a little bit. They avoided any kind of problem children in free agency or the draft and went heavy on the "leaders and choir boys". After the Diggs situation the past couple years, I wonder if they'd want to be adding anyone who has even a whiff of being difficult or acting like a prima donna at all.

I see lots of "Bills won't miss a beat, they're still championship contenders" type responses, and while I am optimistic that they'll have a good season, I think people may underestimate the sum total of what the Bills lost this offseason. Hyde and Poyer, while long in the tooth and having lost some speed, made this defense go. Their leadership, their ability to basically be coaches on the field, their thorough knowledge of the scheme, their interchangability. It all allowed McDermott so disguise his coverages and to vary his playcalling in a way that we probably shouldn't expect him to be able to do if, say, Taylor Rapp and Mike Edwards or Cole Bishop start. Mitch Morse was a huge leader on offense, helped shift the line and set protection calls, and played the second most important position on the line. They will now be counting on a guy who hasn't played center since college to take over. Stefon Diggs obviously became invisible for the second half of last season, but the respect he commanded from opposing defenses allowed the Bills to see lots of looks that they won't be seeing this year, with no one currently in house to command the type of defensive respect Diggs did. Leonard Floyd was the Bills' most productive edge rusher last season, and he's gone. Aside from those losses, the Bills will also be counting on a 20 year old rookie to play huge minutes on offense. I think the losses in leadership, experience, and scheme knowledge, and the loss of a bona fide WR1 that defenses had to gameplan, all mean that the Bills will absolutely -- if only temporarily -- take a step back this coming season. I ultimately expect them to win 10 games and claim a wild card spot at worst, so I'm not saying the sky is falling. But to think they just won't miss a beat, or that their odds to win a Lombardi this year are as good as they've in recent years, I don't think is realistic thinking. I think 2025 and onward look more like championship caliber seasons, potentially. I think this is year one of a little reset/retooling of the team, and while it should set them up for another run in years to come, I don't think 2024 is likely to be the one in which the Bills win a title.

Has anyone checked on the OP? His post stopped midway through. Respectfully, I think Michael Thomas is alllll the way cooked. I read an article last year about how the Saints were just doing absolutely everything to help him return to form. They were patient with him, they had him on a very specific and detailed recovery regimen, gave him opportunity after opportunity, etc...and he just...can't move any more. He can't play. He hasn't posted more than 500 yards receiving since 2019. I know he was dynamic in his heyday, and I know the "name" of Michael Thomas is appealing. But...the actual player that's attached to that name is all the way done, I think. I won't be surprised if he never plays another down in the NFL.

Yeah. I think one of Dorsey's weaknesses was that his offense was reactive instead of attacking. Instead of saying "this is what we're gonna do, and we're gonna put you in a bind", I think his offense was predicated on the idea of "we always have an answer for what you show defensively". It was focused on always having the "right" answer to whatever the defense presented. They'd start really slow until they saw what the opposing defense was gonna be doing, then they'd build the "right" gameplan based on that. At least that's how it seemed to me. At some point during Dorsey's second season, one or more of the players (I wanna say Josh, but I can't remember for sure) said something like "we need to get back to dictating to defenses and not worry so much about what they're doing, but instead say 'here's what WE'RE doing' and make them stop us". Something like that. And that makes a lot of sense. My hope is that Brady installs a heavily matchup-based offense that attacks defenses, rather than waiting for them to attack first. That he moves his diverse group of skill players all around the formation and gives defensive coordinators headaches. That the Bills offense gets back to thinking a bit less, and instead just having fun out there and attacking.

I think Thomas and Jones are beyond cooked. I doubt either of them are at all superior to Shavers or Shorter at this point. My money might be on OBJ given their prior interest and his ability to be a mentor of sorts to Coleman. I wouldn't rule out a Zay Jones or Hunter Renfrow, though.

Of course I hope you're right, but Beane just the other day said that the money that's gonna open up post June 1st will mostly be needed for signing draft picks, in-season replacement costs, etc, and tried his very hardest to throw cold water on the notion of any kind of big time WR move. Now...talk is cheap, and we'll see if his actions back it up. Personally, I'm expecting nothing more than the signing of an OBJ or Tyler Boyd type at BEST.

That is AWESOME! Wow. But I'm fairly sure if I buy it and put it into my house, my wife will divorce me, and then "doing myself favors" will be the only human contact I get.

Basic misuse or misunderstanding of phrases is the one that always gets me. For all intensive purposes. Saying "in lieu of" instead of "in light of". I once knew someone who thought prima donna was "pre-madonna". But saying "I seen" instead of "I saw" is the one that seems most common and which might bother me the most.

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I think the "Josh doesn't work hard in the offseason"/"Josh only golfs and travels" nonsense is some of the silliest stuff I've ever seen. I'm sure all the people who level that criticism at him spend 24 hours a day at THEIR jobs and have no personal life 🙄

I agree. We seem to love power rusher/edge setter types. 'Tweeners who can play DE in base and DT on 3rd down. Just once I wanted them to take a swing on a freaky speed rusher type. Particularly with Von Miller still here to act as on field coach and mentor. I view Soloman the same way I view Tylan Grable and Travis Clayton: High upside, boom or bust physical specimens. Of course, Soloman was taken in the 5th round, which makes it a riskier selection. I'm excited to see him. He brings something to our edge group that it lacked.

Right. I understand that. I'm just saying that I like him enough that I think by year two you'll be able to remove "backup" from that sentence. I think he's the future starter. I don't think you draft a guy who's potentially only a center at the pro level to JUST be a backup there. The Bills prefer their interior backups to have positional versatility. And I know Kromer said he believes Sed can do that and they'll cross-train him and all that, but... I'm just saying: I like the prospect. I think he's the future Bills starting center. I'm just not how far into the future that'll be, but I wouldn't guess much past 2025.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/brandon-beane-josh-allen-was-pretty-pumped-to-hear-we-were-drafting-keon-coleman “Josh is crazy about the draft process. He loves it,” Beane said in an interview with SiriusXM NFL Radio. “If I get a call from Josh in the offseason, it’s usually him seeing somebody on a highlight, running into somebody, throwing with somebody — just something to ask me what I think about this guy. He called me at the Senior Bowl [to ask] what do I think about a couple of guys there. So he loves it. “He’s been in the building the last couple of weeks now that the offseason program’s started. So we did give him some guys, we said, ‘Hey, sit back with the coaches, y’all watch them together and talk about how you’d use them. I’d like to hear what you see.’ And he liked a lot of the guys, he really did. But Keon was one — I know he liked him a lot, too. And Josh and I didn’t speak Thursday, really. Maybe he stopped by that morning. But that next day, Friday morning, he FaceTimed me — actually I was still at home before I headed in here. And he was like, ‘What are you thinking?’ And I said, ‘Well, barring somebody blowing me away, I’m going to take Keon.’ And he was pretty pumped.” So pumped that Allen let Coleman know that he was the receiver the quarterback wanted at the top of the second round.

Right, but it's not just that his arm length limits him to center. It's that his arm length is also shorter than ideal even for that position. It's listed among his weaknesses in nearly every scouting report.

I just wanted to point out that Sed has the same arm length as Ryan Kalil, who was a 3 time All-Pro and 5 time Pro Bowler, and was drafted by a Panthers team that employed Brandon Beane in its personnel department. I'm not saying Sed will be Ryan Kalil, but the short arms don't need to mean that his career is doomed before it begins. I believe there was a Tweet to the effect that the entire pre-draft process is what dropped this guy. Just tested poorly across the board, and when combined with his short arms, it's the reason he dropped. But that when you put on the tape, you see a BALLER. You don't start several years at Georgia without being able to play some ball. He had to handle some serious D-linemen in his time there. Dane Brugler had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him, as did others. Maybe it's just the usual "Bills fan crush on a late round guy" phenomenon at play, but I have weirdly good feelings about both Sed and Javon Soloman. They might be my favorite picks of the whole Bills draft class.

Revisiting this issue a few days later, it still comes down to this for me: Being one injury away from Mack Hollins or Justin Shorter playing significant starting snaps on offense is just not ideal in any way, shape, or form. Depending on a 20 year old rookie to be productive out of the gate and to be one of your starting three WRs when you play as much 11 personnel as the Bills do is not ideal in any way, shape, or form. They HAVE to get one more legit guy for this WR room. Have to. It's impossible for me to believe that Brandon Beane really thinks a Shaver/Shorter/Hamler/Isabella/Cephus is the answer to this problem. If so, it's hard for me to conclude anything other than that this WR corps has the potential to be the worst since 2019. I have my fingers tightly crossed that there will be a post June 1st move of some kind.

Yeah. As finesse as the Chiefs are overall on offense, they have a bully in the middle (Kelce) that steps up in big moments, and they also moved to more of a run-balanced team last year as well, with the hard-charging Isiah Pacheco. And of course they're bullies on defense, too, with Chris Jones and with Steve Spagnuolo calling aggressive defense. Here's hoping Coleman becomes our bully on offense, and Cole Bishop becomes our bully on defense (dude packs a wallop).

The aspect of it that I like is that the Bills offense of the past four years has at times gotten bullied in the playoffs. Once playoff time hits and the refs let the players play more, and corners started pressing our receivers more aggressively, and defensive lines get more talented, etc...our offense got bullied. Our offense has had a real "finesse" element to it for a while now. I'm excited to potentially be the BULLIES instead of the BULLIED.

One of the points that Simms made in the clip I posted above that I liked: The Bills offense is gonna be BIG at times. You have Spencer Brown and Torrence on the right side of the OL, who are objectively huge human beings. Skill player wise, you potentially have Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, and Keon Coleman all on the field at once, not to mention our giant golden retriever tank of a quarterback. They have the potential to be able to play some power ball. And defenses having to deal with Knox, Kincaid, and Coleman in the end zone while ALSO having to account for Josh "15 rushing TDs" Allen...good luck!

Just to provide some balance so everyone doesn't think I'm a total monster: Here's some positive Coleman stuff from Ben Solak and Chris Simms (apologies if already posted).

Obviously I want my franchise QB to have input, and I'm very glad they let him weigh in on his preferences. That said...Josh has admitted that he doesn't watch "tape" on these guys or break it down with coaches or anything. He watches Youtube highlight reels, like the rest of us. I hope -- I really, sincerely hope -- that Josh Allen's preferences don't outweigh all the months of hard work by the scouting department, or all the information, scouting reports, and analytics that Beane has it his dosposal. And just in case anyone feels like "welp, this is who Josh wanted, so I'm good with it", we should always remember that Josh wanted Ken Dorsey to be his OC, and it arguably cost the Bills two seasons of championship contention.