Logic

Changing out of wet clothes.

I was an "anyone but Allen" guy. Once Mayfield and Darnold were off the board, I wanted Rosen to be the pick. When it was announced that "The Buffalo Bills select Josh...", the 1 second between the words "Josh" and "Allen" took 10 years off my life. I wanted it so badly to be Rosen. At this point -- with the caveat that its still too early to say and will be for another year or two -- it looks like I was wrong, and the Allen folks were right. If that turns out to be the case, it will be the most excited I've ever been in my life to be completely wrong.

Reading through the thread, the main thing that strikes me is how QUICKLY most of the members in this thread (and Bills fans at large) did a 180 on Josh Allen. That thread is just full of heartbreak, people saying "I'm gonna be sick", swearing off Bills fanhood forever, calling for the firing of Beane, etc, etc... Fast forward a year, and now? For the most part, Bills fans LOVE Josh Allen! Call it stockholm syndrome, call it wishful thinking, call it a survival tactic...at the end of the day, Allen won people over pretty quickly. The biggest reason, I think, is his heart. I mean, we all saw what he could do PHYSICALLY, sure. Running around Kiko Alonso all day and hurdling over Anthony Barr didn't hurt...but it's the way that he lays it all out there on the field and isn't afraid and does absolutely everything within his power to win that has endeared him to so many, so fast. A credit to Josh, his character, and his play as a rookie.

I agree with the "all time running back stable" superiority of the Bills. I made a similar post earlier in this thread. The Bears (with Sayers and Payton and Bronco Nagurski), The Cowboys (Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker), and the Browns (Brown, Little, Kelly) all have an argument, but the Bills win this one.

Pretty much the same for me. It's too early for me to say that you or I were COMPLETELY wrong and that Josh is a guaranteed success. At the very least, I can say I'm glad he's a Bill, I'm glad the Bills picked him over Rosen, he's a hell of a leader and a hell of an exciting player to watch, and I think his chance to be a great QB outweigh his chances of being a total bust. His floor is much higher than I thought. His ceiling remains to be seen.

Except that they really, really ARE in the same league. They produced about the same college numbers (in spite of your unprovable hypothetical about non-injury). They're both between 6'4 and 6'5. They both run a 4.3ish 40. They both have/had less than desirable change of direction skills. They both ran an extremely limited route tree. They both look dynamite in shorts and a t-shirt. I'm not saying they're identical prospects, but the comparison to Hill is WAY more accurate/reasonable than your comparison to RANDY FREAKING MOSS. I mean...What am I missing?

DK Metcalf had 1,200 yards and 14 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.33. Stephen Hill had 1,200 yards and 9 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.36 Randy Moss had 1,800 yards and 26 touchdowns in ONE COLLEGE SEASON ALONE. He ran a 4.25. The Randy Moss comparisons are ludicrous to me. Just like Stephen Hill, Metcalf is a huge, fast guy with limited change of direction who never produced big numbers in college and whose defenders say "it wasn't his fault his offense used him poorly!" I see more of a chance of Metcalf becoming Hill than Moss, but that's just me.

Am I the only dude alive who thinks Arizona should keep Rosen AND draft Murray? A QB competition between two high-potential 1st rounders? That sounds like the best way I can think of to be as sure as you can that you've found a franchise QB. You can still trade whoever loses the competition later on. You don't HAVE to trade Rosen now. The only way this wouldn't make sense is if they sense Rosen is going to be a disgruntled turd about it. If that's the case, then he wasn't worth the 1st to begin with.

Everybody has bust potential.

Really? THAT sold on Quinnen Williams? Interesting.

This doesn't add any intrigue for me at all. The Cardinals are taking Murray. Everyone knows it. Even with that being the case, they're not gonna NOT do their due diligence and at least MEET with the two or three other candidates for the top pick. It would be grossly negligent to just NOT meet with a Nick Bosa if you have the top pick. It would be more newsworthy in my eyes if they DIDN'T meet with him. It's gonna be Murray. It was always gonna be Murray.

"Guy who was hired based on offensive trends bemoans the hiring of young coaches based on offensive trends"

AJ Brown was the better college WR and will be the better pro receiver. DK Metcalf is just Stephen Hill to me.

I actually missed out on it last offseason, as well. I didn't learn that it had happened until THIS offseason. I'm so glad I saw it, though, because it put my curiosity on this issue to bed: Namely, I strongly suspected that Darnold was #1 on the Bills board and they had to "settle" for Josh Allen. Instead, I now know that he was their #1 choice all along. I like knowing that in the famed "Great QB Draft of 2018", the Bills got the player they had ranked 1st all along.

I mean....can we teach one of the Joshes to kick a ball? Having a Josh Allen in all three phases would really be ideal.

Me posting this thread during a slow news time and then vanishing: I was only away from the computer for two hours, and this thing is already at 6 pages. Man, I love how crazy Bills fans are! ? He's alright. I mean he's no Paul Westerberg, but....few are.

Meh. They literally let a picture of their QB board from last year get onto Twitter. Ben Albright knew for like 4 months that the Bills were all in on Allen. They're not infallible.

Verrrrry interesting. In one of the comments below, someone asks him if thats just opinion or if he's actually heard anything. He replies that he doesn't really HAVE draft opinions. Take that for what you will...

Spoken like someone who's never watched Wilkins play. The difference between Wilkins and Kelsay is that Wilkins is a supreme athletic specimen.

You must have missed the Shawn Nelson era!

I think the Receiver discussion should involve who fills out spots 2 through 5, since we all know who number 1 is and always will be. TIGHT END....now there's a discussion that will produce a lot of different answers.

I planned to make a thread closer to draft day, but I think there's a very good chance Wilkins is the Bills' pick in the first round. He has off the charts intangibles, leadership, and character, and a non stop motor. His coach said "even though he's first string, he plays every down like he's trying to make the team". If that doesn't sound like a prototypical McDermott first rounder, I don't know what does.

I'll tell you all one thing: If the Bills lose this social media popularity contest, I'm disavowing my Bills fanhood forever and becoming a Saints fan!

I'm kind of with ya, but I left the 1% to account for, like, punching a police officer or something.

Ah yes. But he just spends a lot of time talking about, like, the Clash or something. He's a weirdo. But I do follow him