Rockpile233

"When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help,’" the student recalled. "The guy overheard and... shot her."

It definitely looks bad, the videos make me sick to my stomach imagining my own child in the building and not being allowed to do anything waiting around. I haven’t read enough yet to know who screwed up, but even then I’d just be sad. Definitely seems a far cry from the heroic story Greg Abbott weaved.

I didn’t really want to get too deep into the response stories because so many are incorrect immediately following an event like this, but a pretty clear picture is starting to form that is looking bad.

Second part was sarcasm, yes that would be free game. You may not be far off the mark with identifying certain high risk individuals.

I will have to respectfully disagree. If you think these two Ill teenagers could have successfully built some sort of bomb or killed that many people with a hunting knife or stolen a gun….well even then you at least made it a little harder and threw up some speedbump without burdening any other gun owners. I agree with you on the rest, but you’re venturing into privacy rights now. Slippery slope! I have long accepted that if you are anywhere in politics you are likely a huge POS. What saddens me is how many of us regular people refuse to honestly engage the subject. Mental health is a part as is gun access as are countless other things.

There is a lot of brain science on maturity extending well past teenage years more to the 25 range. I’m not trying to solve violent tendencies in adults, but to say nothing would be solved? What about Buffalo and Texas in the past two weeks? Oh ya, the other side is worse argument. Grow up.

Asking for an age increase to 21 is far from asking Americans to surrender their right to self defense. Demonizing people who think it makes no ***** sense to let an emotional 18 year old buy a gun when they can’t even buy a beer perpetuates distrust. These same “can’t give an inch” people also have ***** zero to offer on the mental health solution front.

Martavis Bryant….Josh Gordon, yes all multiple time failed drug tests and full season suspensions. Say what you want about them, but predatory behavior towards women is a lot worse to me. Not sure what you’re trying to argue.

Justin Blackmon comes to mind.

I would daresay very few of you look at an 18 year old and see an adult. Maybe in previous generations that was true, but the maturity is just not there these days. There are obviously exceptions, but I believe that to be true in my experience. But we still can’t even agree to push the purchase age back a few years. The stalemate we face is pathetic and reflects very poorly on all of us. Note I would support OBVIOUS exceptions to that rule for military and law enforcement before someone throws that “problematic” gotcha at me.

Greg Abbott’s press conference just angered me. NO ***** that mental health is a problem everywhere in this country. Please tell me how to address this root cause. It’s an absurd copout as is someone saying to “ban (x) type of gun” When will we ***** compromise to save lives? Even suggesting 21 being the age to purchase is met with such swift venom that I know we’ll never get anywhere with it. These incidents, for some, are apparently an acceptable tax to pay.

The fact we’ve had talented players out of the league for smoking weed or gambling, but this POS hasn’t been made an example of yet is disgusting.

Conversation always heads in the same predictable directions. For the “it’s a mental health issue” crowd”…first off no *****. You mean someone who would massacre elementary school children is sick? Thanks for enlightening us. Now what would you do to address the “root cause” as many like to point out? Save us from the gotcha questions on what semiauto means. How about some constructive solutions instead of digging in.

There are no words. I can’t imagine the road these families have in front of them. I’m sorry for all of us.

Disgusting. God help us all with the direction we are on.

Completely agree. Explicit threats like these should be taken seriously.

NFL will find a way to get this wrong.

I’m just muddling through life trying to make the best of it like most of us. I agree you can’t have disincentives for people to seek help. I’m not advocating for that. In this specific case he was not flagged for having anxiety or depression or some other issues. He quite literally threatened a mass shooting. I just think it’s time we take these threats more seriously. Sad that it sounds like some adults were trying to do the right thing. I hope more comes to light on what happened with this, roll his parents played, etc. Breakdown all around here.

They did and a case was opened on him. Sounds like he even spent a night in inpatient treatment. Somehow the ball got dropped after that. That’s where I’m most interested in talking about. We had this person identified and it still happened. How do we intervene in these cases while still respecting the rights of honest gun owners? That’s why I want to engage honest owners because we need their buy in. He bought additional firearms AFTER his school got him investigated and committed.

Man I focus back on work for a few hours and it’s completely off the rails. Example of why nothing gets done.

I see enough common ground supporting stricter enforcement of red flag laws. I don’t understand how this kid, who was already identified to the point of having mental health professionals opening a case, passed an instant check to purchase a rifle two months ago. That’s a flawed system. He was explicitly threatening this.

You keep slamming the door. I promise I agree there are bad actors leading people astray, but cut them out. We’re on a football message board none of this is binding. At work when I have an issue with something I go to the person who lives it everyday to get data and advice. In business we accept that the environment around us is dynamic and ever changing and we need to make adjustments to address those changes. It’s typically done in a collaborative way. We confuse this with politically charged issues. Cut out all the intellectually dishonest people…what would you do with someone who owns rifles and body armor and is making explicit threats of a mass shooting incident. We can’t do anything? I don’t need a recap on the 2A, I understand it’s purpose and I’m a supporter. I’m interested in real conversation, but once again we always drift to the same place… Thoughts…I struggle advocating criminalizing someone who leading indicators suggest is heading towards a criminal act. If they have not done anything yet it’s all hypothetical. My suggestion would be to re-examine what sort of explicit threats rise to the level of criminal. To me someone threatening a mass shooting who also has the means to do it, should absolutely be fair game for state intervention.

I don’t for a second consider you a problem. That’s why I want to engage you in conversation because you have a better perspective in which to frame solutions. The issue is this individual was making explicit threats and still there was nothing that could be done. Most of these incidents involve a severe mental illness. I wish people could find common ground on limiting access with better red flags considering todays social landscape and the damage social media has done to at risk youths.

Part of the problem is this particular dig in referring to “they” taking a mile. That’s fear mongering to me. I would focus on the mental health too. I don’t have all the answers, but it saddens me that we still refuse to limit access for someone making EXPLICIT threats. Not worth it we’ll just go around. Even mentioning the conversation gets someone labeled as an individual giving up all to the government or wanting to seize peoples guns. I’m not thinking in these absolutes as much as people want to paint everyone in a box these days.

The sick *****’s school reported him for threatening a mass shooting and other obvious cry for help behaviors. Yet he could still purchase rifles and body armor? He can’t even own a handgun legally in this state. Lot of inconsistencies. I wish firearms advocates would step up and help craft legislation that actually makes sense. Instead we get a lot of digging in and slippery slope fear mongering. There were plenty of red flags.