oldmanfan

I think they are. But he has to listen

I think it hit me because it suggests he refuses to listen to his coaching staff. They have preached all season to protect himself and not take unnecessary hits but did so for no reason there.

We have no idea how much work he puts in. Don’t listen to rumors. Plus you can’t watch TV for more than 30 minutes without seeing a Mahomes commercial.

Josh can be elite and win Lombardi's, but he needs to do what Brady and Manning (and now Mahomes) learned and take the easy throws. It has nothing to do with coaching, it has to do with him realizing what wins and what doesn't. We'll be a playoff team again this year, and once you get there you always have a chance.

No relevance whatsoever

Had two guys he could have flipped the ball to for a first down

We all love Josh. Yesterday was an aberration, but clearly he needs to accept that less us sometimes more. I would try two things: 1. Have the team leaders sit with him, tell him they have his back, but that he has to play the offense as designed 2. Bring the Manning brothers in (or Brady) for skull sessions and show him where he’s making bad reads.

First they can’t afford Allen. Second having a different OC only works if Josh is going to actually listen and run the plays that are called. Running plays OK; Dorsey should not be running Cook that much inside. But pass plays Josh is presented options and he needs to make the read and get the ball out. Which he did not do well last night.

And my point is you ridiculously over exaggerate when you say each played like garbage. You have decided the theee guys there stink so if anything goes wrong you’re going to blame those three guys regardless. Last night’s game was lost because of Josh.

Yes, he should have gotten the ball out sooner. But when he didn't the answer is not to try and hurdle two guys 5 yards short of the marker. That is the point; he has to be smarter than that. This was a low scoring game, a punt is not a bad play. Pin them back and come out again instead of putting yourself at risk of getting hurt.

Ok,IF he said this there is no defense. But we'll see where things go from here. Terry will have to address this privately with the team.

You are not hurling two guys 5 yards from the marker and getting the first. Just not happening.

The play that showed me we were in trouble last night was the one where Josh tried to jump over two guys when he was 5 yards from getting a first down. What concerns me is that Josh is not either listening to what the coaches are telling him or is sometimes unable to control his play with respect to what the coaches are telling him. The entire off season McD, Dorsey (and Beane) have talked about how they want to get Josh to where he is not running the ball as much, and where is not taking unnecessary risks to his body while out there. Trying to hurdle not one, but two guys, and not at the yardage marker, but 5 yards before it, shows just a stunning inability to process that kind of info. I love Josh. I think as fans we all love Josh and what he brings to the table with his talent. But as much as folks have wanted to harp about the O line (which held up OK against a very good D line), Bernard (didn't cost us the game by any means), Dorsey's play calls (is it the calls, or is Josh not going where he needs to go), this team will only win when its QB accepts that he needs to play under control. After last night I am beginning to question whether Josh can do that. and if he is simply not listening to the coaches, then the answer to me isn't changing coaches. It's sitting his butt down for a bit or having the other leaders on the team get in his face and demand better.

They ran two TEs a lot. So other than maybe Murray for Cook (which they also did), how exactly does the OC make the QB recognize what he needs to do and do it? It is OK to blame Josh for last night and still see him as the mainstay of the franchise. He stunk last night and lost the game for the team. The odds are he won't have a game near that bad the rest of the year. No. I'm sure Dosey is not talking to him about any of this. Come on.

Explain how you "rein him in"? Dorsey called plays that had guys open. But he can't make Josh throw the ball to the right guy. I felt the draw call in OT was bad. But that game never should have went to OT. and that's on the QB who turned it over 4 times.

Honestly, if he comes out against the Raiders and does the same stuff I'd sit him down for a series or two.

If Josh had gotten his head out of his own butt there would not have been an OT. No, you need the QB to see where the throw should go and make the throw.

Yeah, because Daboll had his team so well prepared Sunday night.

Or McD has to do it. Someone needs to sit Allen down and drill it through his skull that the kind of stuff he did last night simply does not cut it.

One thing I would advise Dorsey to do is move down to the sideline for a game or two. Daboll would get right in Josh's face and scream at him when he started doing his hero stuff. He has been in the league 6 years now and Allen should not be making the dumb mistakes he made last night. This game I am sure will be an aberration but the blame can only go on Allen for the loss.

No, it means Josh has to wake up and realize the great QBs take what the defense gives them.

Josh playing stupid football is not the OC's fault. It's on Josh.

Brown? Yeah he had a couple plays where he got pushed back. So did the guys inside, especially by Williams. That guy is a beast. You slow down pass rush by getting the ball out quick. Guys were there and Josh did it OK the first half. Then lost his mind the second half. This was on Josh. And those claiming it was Brown do in fact have confirmation bias.

On a couple plays, not all night. Just stop.

Not what I saw. And when you are playing a great D line get the ball out quick to slow them down. Josh did in the first half and quit doing it in the second half.