oldmanfan

Allen might have had a fraction of a second to set and get more into it, but when you have a veteran TE who gets hit in the hands and can't hold the ball, nor figure out he needs to work back a little towards his QB, is there a reason to have that veteran TE?

Other than say Moon and Rogers and Wilson and Elway to a degree? Your act is ridiculous at this point. The 7 th start for the kid. He makes plays, and that's what you need in a QB.

The game is slowing down for him. The missed TD to Jones hurt. The pick was a rookie mistake. But you can sense the positives the team has when he's out there. And stop with the accuracy stuff. Delivered a lot of very nice balls today.

Tough season, but anyone with an ounce of football sense has to be excited about Allen and his future

Win or lose this will be fun to watch the young QB

Too much dumb stuff. And the league needs to realize the refs don't play the game. Opportunity for the young QB to develop here.

I don't know why he's on the field

Nice throw. It doesn't make him a star yet, just like a bad throw doesn't make him a bum. But a nice throw.

Like when to run for 30 yards

A learning game for Josh.

Missed that throw. Let's all now define his entire future based on that.

I don't understand what game you're watching.

O line is awful in the run game today

They also would have traded up to get the other kid

I have no need to be anonymous. No way would I sign this jerk.

Good for the Chiefs.

You don't think Edmunds looks shaky, do you? He just needs to learn to read his keys more, and that takes a bit of time.

I thing you are wrong. You have two guys that have played about 3/4s of an NFL season. To say that indicates anything about long term potential and who should or should not have been drafted is folly. The world in general has no idea what the word patience means anymore. regarding the WRs, it also takes time. Are you old enough to remember Eric Moulds?

He may be farther along, but as you say Edmunds may be better long term. We just have to get away from these instant analyses that have no real value.

Guys, come on. Have we really reached such a stage in society, have we really gotten to a point where our patience is so limited that one game from a player tells you that he is so much better than another guy? VanderEsche had a good game last night from what I've read. So Edmunds has shown he's coming along as a 20 year old rookie. It is entirely possible that they both are going to be very good. We have to stop thinking that everything is an either/or, bad or good choice in life. Sometimes you can have two good things at once, or two bad things, or whatever.

You ask if we all want him to succeed. Sadly, no. There are some who would rather see him fail so they can anonymously brag on a web site about how smart they were when they said it was a bad draft pick.

Simple. Tell you to quit trying to continually and sadly justify your preconceived notion that the kid can't play and recognize that in the just over 6games he's played that he's showing progress. Instead of talking about misleading stats talk about how some incompletions were drops or throwaways when no one was open. Recognize many of us simply are saying he's making progress and not that he's already a finished star product. And more than anything, rather than hoping he doesn't make it so you can boast that you knew he wouldn't, actually root for him and your team to succeed. That a sufficient answer to your question?

I have gone back the last two games he played and looked at each play he ran. And tried to compare to earlier games like the Packers. If you watch them, and if you're objective, he's making progress. He is making reads quicker and getting the ball out quicker. He is more accurate. There are still some missed passes, but for example if you look at the Jacksonville game the only truly bad pass was that WR screen where he dumped the ball at the guy's feet. He does need to improve on those kinds of passes. Two passes he missed were communication issues with his WR. And most other ones he was on target with his throws, some of which were taken away by dumb penalties. If you watch the Houston game he again was hitting his targets consistently till he got hurt. So I think this accuracy thing is overblown; people lazily look at completion percentage and don't take into account other variables like drops or wrong routes. As for the "slow eyes" thing, that's just a canard used by guys like McShay who don't really understand the game of football. Like most any other young QB, Allen needs to learn and have the game slow down for him so he makes quicker reads etc. That goes hand in hand with holding the ball perhaps a bit too long. But again, look at the Jacksonville game. On his long TD pass to Foster, if he doesn't hold on too long, that pass never gets made. I am still amazed that ball came out as well as it did. People criticize his running, but that also comes down to reads. On his one long run, he read that the MLB wasn't watching, and it gave him a huge running lane, so he took it. I have no problem with critiquing the guy; as I have said often he has a long way to go. I do have a problem with people not actually using their eyes and seeing that he is making progress. If you don't see that he's making progress, it's because you don't want to see that he's making progress.

To say you have not seen any progress in Allen this year is absurd. People like you made up your minds about the guy the day he was drafted and no matter what he does it won't change your mind. He's played 6.5 games. Try some objectivity.

Agreed. They don't make this move unless they know the holding situation is OK.