we've moved away from the extended tailgating too, but mostly due to time and effort. we go to fewer games now for the same reasons, but the trick is to do it differently. we now sit in the clubs to avoid all of the nonsense. the experience is great...there's a full bar open all game, food is solid, clean bath rooms, and you keep the psychos out. concerning bringing kids, the club is the only way i would do it at an early age. my wife got us ticket to the home opener last year, and i was shocked by the number of families and young kids, (below 10) that were in there. it looked like everyone was having a great time, and no children was traumatized.