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i'll show you guys my glaring hole...

scott talk!

i think i'm with you on this.

happy birfday!

it was totally my move the buy the "previous" year model that hasn't been driven yet. they can't wait to get them off the lot, and will usually give a big incentive. when i've looked at the dealers so far, they really don't seem to have any 2017s. i'll do a larger look, but since i'm going to have this year for the next 8 years or so, i'm likely going with a 2018. part of the problem is that i'm still between 3-4 cars. it's really down to two, but once i'm done the test drives, i have to make a decision so i can start doing a wide net search. i'll drive a couple of hours too to get a good deal. my last car i had to go to penn yan, (an hour and 15 away) and did all negotiations online. well worth it. after this weekend i should have a pretty good idea where i stand.

this is a pretty good theory actually.

the level of tech in the cars is through the roof. it's to the point where i would expect something to go wrong. i'm buying in the next month, so i think with my timing, i'm going to have to be ready to pony up for the style/options i want. i've emailed a couple of dealers to let them know what i'm looking for, but they don't seem to interested until i come in an test drive first. that will by tomorrow and saturday.

oh yeah. i'd do stuff to her face.

that's why you should be impressed. the team was less talented, and managed to make the playoffs. say what you want about backing in...this team hasn't been able to back into anything in the last 18 years.

But I like my knob slobbed.

at least you managed to put a positive spin on it.

i think you nailed it here sotier. i'm using the kbb/truecar sites to get the numbers. two of the dealers have emailed me vins so i can do specific searches, (which i haven't done yet, so not sure if it will help). i have a pretty good idea of what i'm willing to pay for 2-3 different cars. you're 100% correct on having to be ready to walk away from a deal. i'm not married to a specific car this time around, so that should be too hard. i totally agree about the service dept as well. two of our local car dealers were taken over by a buffalo dealer, and their service has been outstanding ever since. i'll always pay a bit more for the service. that's way too long. i'll take any financing that's below 2%, and usually try to pay cars off in 3 years. i'll take a 5 year loan, and pay extra towards the principal with each payment.

you guys need me for anything in here?

Sure. Sammy is a good wr. He just isn’t elite, and his new high salary doesn’t change that until his production shows it.

oh my...luck. this question shouldn't exist.

especially royal. i heard he's been packing on the lbs lately.

it's pretty early in the morning for that, isn't it?

this is typically what i aim for. i realize the dealer has to make a profit, yet i don't want to over spend. i choose a few cars in want to key in on, (i'm now down to 2), i have a number that i'm willing to pay, and now i just have to see if everything falls in place. if i get the model with the options that i want, in the price range that i've set for myself, i'm happy. i'm not so sure about the cheap part though. i'm looking at suvs, and i think the prices have sky rocketed over the last couple of years.

The guy might be in full black face.

No one is missing the point. You just have a lousy one. The bills could have paid sammy. So could the rams. Even after giving up a second for him, they still didn’t. Two teams Sammy has been involved with haven’t thought he was worth the money. If he works out in kc, great. His salary in no way makes him elite. I don’t know why you can’t understand that. You know what debating 72 is like. He’s just so in love with Sammy.

this is just it.

wha? i was thinking around the 10 mill mark, so yes...i was wrong. now, how does that validate you? what does sammy getting 16 mill a year to you? to me, it's just that kc overpaid based on potential. this move could absolutely blow up in their faces. the truth of the matter is that sammy just hasn't shown that he's in any way elite, and his production has been a disappointment considering what he's capable of. honestly...if sammy looks average again this year, what will your excuse be? the love you have for sammy is just strange. he's on his third team. move on, and be happy the bills were able to get a pick for him.

also, do anyone find there's not a ton of wiggle room in negotiations now? we know what the dealer paid, and their general markup, (they obviously need to make a profit). they can work with you on trade in value, there may be incentives involved, then after that, maybe a small percentage of the price of the car can be negotiated. i've been to a couple of dealers in the past who say that's all they'll give. that being said, i've gotten large factory incentives just by luck in the past. one was 8 grand off the sticker price, just to get the car off the lot.

1972 doesn't get it. he still think sammy walks on water.