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For those who pray, my daughter needs them please
Buffalo716 replied to YoloinOhio's topic in Off the Wall
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No offense but recruiting violations is not a bigger cheating scandal than deflating footballs Colleges have been playing payers since the dawn of time.. Bear Bryant at Alabama was paying players Deflating footballs so you're running backs don't fumble them an entire season is actually hurting the integrity of the game a lot more.. compared to Pete Carroll paying players which all coaches were doing They just all don't get caught... Alabama Georgia Ohio State Texas etc have been paying player since the 60s and 70s.. well before nil
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Holy crap, I'm finally coming to Buffalo! 53 years in the making
Buffalo716 replied to Hellcamino's topic in The Stadium Wall
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Eagles do move slightly early andthey don't call it I've seen some where 2-3 lineman have some momentum before snap.. like you said milliseconds They also need to call that I agree the officials spotting are way over the place
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Ben Johnson has a hard situation in Chicago It's an organization that knows defense but has not developed a quarterback for 60 years The bears have been playing professional football for over 100 years never had one 4,000 yard thrower... New England Buffalo Green Bay all has Even Brian sipe threw for 4000 yards in Cleveland... This shows organizational dysfunction in Chicago that they cannot develop quarterbacks ben has to, like McDermott... Take control of the entire organization top down.. and instill a culture of hard work and dedication... Hard work trumps talent because everybody has talent in the NFL That's his next step with Chicago
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Having a strong opinion and sticking to your guns is not close to evil or violent though That's called sticking to your beliefs Now if he ran around calling gay people **** and freaks... And talking s*** about black people... And didn't allow discussion while calling the entire left commie liberals that would be a different story.. that would show hate But he literally helped black businessmen... He didn't hate you if you were a tranny... he could agree to disagree that doesn't mean hate And he gave everybody an open platform Something that the left said they wished more on the right would do.. have open political discussion And he was still assassinated
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If Josh Allen was as surefire as you thought he would have went number one overall He dropped to seven because of question marks ... To think there's never been supremely gifted and smart players who did not reach their peak is not true Plenty of hard-working physically gifted players never reach their full potential... In Fact in the NFL it's extremely rare for a player to reach their full potential Again this doesn't mean Josh Allen would be terrible on other teams... To think he is the best player in the world on the bears or Panthers or Jets is far-fetched There is a reason the Packers have went from farve to Rogers to Jordan love.. it's because organizations have a big part in developing a quarterback... Sitting on the bench for years is the best way to groom a quarterback , always has been... Even mahomes got to sit for a year Any quarterback getting drafted in the top 10 has MVP potential.. it's about how they are developed from 22 to 26 in those formative years Obviously Sam darnold would have been a lot better off in Buffalo.. MVP no, do I think we are still better than the Jets dolphins and Patriots? Yes Do I think Josh Allen is an MVP drafted by the Jets no.. do I think hes good , yea There's a difference between being good or really good.. and the best in the world... Which always takes circumstances.. internal and external.. players can only control so much and rely on other people Something as simple as a play caller can impact a quarterback's career immensely.. mahomes getting Andy Reid as a play caller and learning from the bench for a year.. certainly helped his career better than getting thrown to the fire with a more inept coordinator on an inept team Joe burrow is extremely talented and cannot survive the Bengles organization and he's going to be a footnote... He's going to go down as the guy who could have been.. because the organization has not helped him out enough Not only can Josh escape pressure... But we have built one of the best three offensive lines in the world around him to keep him clean... Josh's Ascension has also ascended with our offensive line With the Bengals line Josh would still be really good like burrow... But he would be at a lot more risk of injury and would more likely revert back to old bad tendencies because that's what quarterbacks do when they're under fire.. even mahomes is reverting back to bad tendencies now that he doesn't have a line As I said in the NFL players are either progressing or regressing.. static is regressing mahomes is not getting protected anymore and he's regressing.. he's going back to his college bad habits... Even a multiple time all pro super bowl champion can regress.. he's not as good as he was in 2022 Not the eye test or statistics Situations definitely matter
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There was plenty of people after one in two years on this own website who were not sold on Josh Allen Go back to the end of his second year and there was still plenty of people not 100% sold on Josh as the future of our team in this site lol This is not as cut and dry as we just lucked into the best player in the world.. Buffalo Bills did have to help develop him To think Josh Allen is the best player in the world on 31 other teams is honestly kind of crazy.. he might be on a couple teams.. on 24 other teams he's not the best player in the world because they would not have developed him correctly We can agree to disagree but it's crazy to think that if player x starts his career at spot y he's exactly the same
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The Jets have not developed a franchise quarterback in 60 years The bills developed Joe Ferguson Jim Kelly and now Josh Allen .. that's three times as many quarterbacks who played for a decade The bears have not developed a franchise quarterback in 60 years... They traded for Cutler and never developed him more Remember Sam darnold got drafted ahead of Josh.. he has tons of talent and a good work ethic.. he is athletic he is accurate he was considered a top notch prospect ... And he went to Palmer's quarterback school too and works hard.. the difference was he was on the Jets.. and Baker was on the browns... Now does Josh have more talent than Sam? Yes, but Sam was much more polished.. and Josh needed to get polished.. which takes a team, it always has Josh Allen did not go to the bills organization which was in futile for 17 years.. he had McDermott right out the gate who is calm and level-headed and has a plan and allows players to grow... We know that now.. 8 years ago nobody knew what kind of long-term coach McDermott would be when it comes to player development McDermott built a culture which is a great influence on everybody on the team.. from Josh Allen to the lowest guy on the practice squad... Everybody respects everybody at one Bills drive from the coaches to the chefs to the mail guy that Josh Allen shouted out.. that is the culture that breeds winning and development Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer and nobody can tell me he would be the same guy if he didn't go to the Rams... In fact most of his career is not that great... But with the right coaching and team around him he was an MVP Yes I 100% Believe Josh Allen if he got drafted by the Jets is not winning six straight AFC East titles because they are a dumpster fire... He could still be good.. he certainly doesn't become the cerebral, non turnover machine we have now He certainly is not an MVP.. that's literally taking credit away from everybody in the bills organization who has helped build him up Again if they didn't need coaches to make them better.. they wouldn't hire coaches... If Josh didn't think going to Palmer would help.. he wouldn't go to Palmer... McDermott has had a plan since day one and he's executed it... This site was filled with plenty of people who still were not sold on Allen one and two years in... There were plenty of people here Look at guys like Justin fields and Trevor Lawrence.. insane talent... to just say we lucked into the best football player of all time is kind of Silly... He had to be molded.. and he took the coaching and he became the best player in the world
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Exactly it's not all just x's and o's It's the entire building.. how do they set you up for success? Do you have a lot of people to lean on and trust? Do they allow you to make mistakes without fearing repercussion? Is the attitude of building upbeat and positive or mundane and negative? Do your coaches push you to be the best person in life? Like you said getting rid of negative influences and bad habits.. or are they okay with that if you just show up to work? Do they have a plan to fix your mechanics? Or are they just winging it... Can you take constructive criticism or not? There's so many little things throughout a NFL teams building that could make the experience really good or really bad for players... And how the organization is ran absolutely can impact development It 100% does
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Yeah but if Tom Brady was drafted by the Detroit Lions also not Tom Brady That's why good coaching could make somebody who's decent look good.. good look really good.. and make someone who's really good great Bad coaching will take someone who's good and make them look average There is zero world where if Tom Brady was drafted by plenty of teams he's anything close to getting developed by Bill belichick for 15 years Even Patrick mahomes is regressing right now.. just because you are really really good doesn't mean it's guaranteed forever In the NFL if you're not progressing you are regressing I have always said that.. Josh Allen's been steadily going up still to this day Patrick Mahoney's been slowly going down And Pat still has great coaching.. if Patrick mahomes got drafted by the Chicago bears he's not anything close to what he was.. not close To say situation doesn't matter is akin to saying coaches don't matter in the NFL.. players can train themselves players can coach themselves... Because nobody helps them and it's all them Kurt Warner is a Hall of famer who literally struggled for years.. when he was in the right situation he was amazing... When he wasn't it wasn't that great That could be any great quarterback... Joe burrow is going to be a footnote because the Bengals are ruining him and have ruined him... A great quarterback who in 10 years it's going to be what if he wasn't with them Because situation is everything
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I think the great quarterbacks will probably be good anywhere I 100% don't agree that Patrick mahomes would be the exact same quarterback in 31 other teams.. if Josh Allen goes to the Jets I think he probably showed flashes and is good but again does not reach his height with the bills because of our organization being top-notch Same with Tom Brady If Tom Brady goes to the lions or browns at 22 I don't think he's anything close to the same player I think they could all be really good.. but I find it highly highly unlikely that Brady gets 7 rings if he doesn't start off his career with belichick I don't think mahomes has three super bowls if he doesn't start with Andy Reid The Buffalo Bills organization 100% has been a calming growing influence on Josh.. literally every single 22-year-old kid has a chance to be a bust.. it's not fair to coaching staffs to say they don't have an influence which is why they're around... To think Josh Allen would be an MVP if he was drafted by the Jets , it's not happening I think his career is much more Sam darnold trajectory then Patrick mahomes is regressing from what he was and he still has great coaching.. so it shows that even someone who is considered great can even start losing itba bit... Even with tremendous coaching...Kurt Warner was great with the Rams Didn't play good for years until he got to the Cardinals There's a lot of things with quarterbacks going on and to think every truly great quarterback.. could be as just as good in any situation I don't believe that Players would be coaching themselves and calling plays themselves if they didn't need people to help them develop... Josh Allen has been getting developed by the Buffalo Bills extremely well and the entire football world agrees with that Joe burrow certainly can be a lot less effective in a lot of other places just look at him now he already struggles to stay on the field... If he was in Chicago his career wouldn't be nearly as close and it still falling apart Situation matters For the elite quarterbacks to even reach that elite status they need to be in the right place with the right staff... Sure once you reach elite status it's hard to lose it because they knew what it took to get there But I don't think Patrick mahomes becomes elite Patrick mahomes if he's on the Chicago bears ... I don't believe that at all
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It's because where you land extremely matters To think it doesn't is fool's gold... These are 21 to 23-year-old kids... And 97% of them need to grow and learn There's a reason why the bears haven't successfully developed a quarterback in 60 years lol never had a 4,000 yard thrower It is the organization Same with darnold... Nobody question his talent or even his work ethic.. the Jets organization spits out quarterbacks for 50 years