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@Beck Water I have not checked but I think fitz may have played in a true West Coast system his first couple years in St Louis Didn't really play much but I think he was in one early But the west coast verbiage system is very distinct... And it's a mouthful... A college kid who has been reading plays off of big boards on the sideline for years has a super hard time adjusting to something like that... I think Josh being in the EP has really helped them because he doesn't have to do as much thinking as say Jon gruden quarterback

He didn't play under a traditional full West Coast system But as I said originally West Coast is a verbage system and a style of offense Chan gailey preferred EP verbage but instilled a lot of spread West Coast elements to his offense... The quick passing game was an extension of the run.. the screen game was an extension of the run .. he like a zone system like WC... He did not use West Coast verbage though he was one of the more modern offensive coordinators to take principles of the West Coast offense without the verbiage, and mold it into an EP offense But it had a lot of West Coast principles, besides the verbiage Most modern offenses have West Coast principles built into them now.. but not all of them have the verbage which is specifically what I was talking about in this thread The heavy verbiage of the West Coast offense is tough even on professional players and they have a lot to think about.. the EP verbiage simplifies everything to a rudimentary point So gailey had EP verbiage, and a modern offense that was modeled after West Coast coryell spread everything.. I don't think you could actually put a name on his offensive style... he really was a very good offensive coordinator

Simple verbiage... With mirrored play calls allow streamline play calling through all your personal groupings We can run this out of 11 or 12 personnel streamlessly

So in an 11 personnel Ghost tosser is going to tell both sides of pass catchers their route combination F right 72 Ghost tosser would refer to the flanker right... Ghost would be their route combination So ghost is going to tell the people on the right side of the formation in 11 personnel their route combination Flanker , 9 route... Y runs out... Running back flat Tosser refers to the backside.. x and z dual backside slants But you can flip that to f left 73 ghost tosser in any personnel

A system like the west coast is heavy heavy verbiage 10 15 20 + word play calls The EP condenses the play called to 5 6 7 word calls If Josh says ghost tosser... It means the same thing whether they're in 11 personnel or 12 or 21 All the wide receivers whether they're in the slot or at the x know the route combinations just by ghost tosser ... it's always the same route combinations In the West Coast system.. that route combination out of those three different personnel's are going to have massive different calls... It condenses plays between your personnel groupings So the bills can run the same route concept out of five different looks... Instead of wide receivers listening to 20 words for their role.. something as simple as ghost tosser tells all the pass catchers what they need to do

His body really didn't change that much He certainly has not added 15 lb... What he did is Master his pad level He is playing with supreme pad level and leverage now which he didn't Year One When his pad level was too high he was not as powerful as a runner.. now he plays with great leverage which has increased his running power and pop

I went to canisius but maryvale was my early school And yea last 20 years it was maryvale Central... But back in the day it was Central JFK

Awards are slightly subjective tho Josh Allen has had more touchdowns than the MVP probably three out of the five years.. it's not like he was pedestrian with 20 touchdowns He has been playing at an MVP level five straight years.. whether it ended up in one all pro or 3 He could have three MVPs and three all pros But the voters love Lamar Jackson who went to a better team and that is a fact Lamar Jackson inherited a better team right off the bat than Josh Allen, and still gets all the love like he turned around a franchise like Josh Allen He's a tremendous player, I would not take Lamar Jackson over Jack Allen if I had no bias

Cheektowaga Central God I hate the warriors

If Terrell Davis got in... I think Josh Allen's last 5 years stint could also get him in even if it took multiple tries on the ballot Now I want him here for another decade so he wins a whole bunch of games and hopefully a super bowl or two

That's not the criteria for Hall of Fame tho buddy I watched Jim Kelly with my own eyes for years and he certainly is a Hall of Fame player but modern statistics leaves him at the bottom... he doesn't have an MVP... He's a one-time All-Pro Warren Moon never All prod once... and he is in the Hall of Fame and he is worthy I'd be willing to bet as much money as you're willing to wager that Josh Allen will wind up in the Hall of Fame

Josh Allen has more passing touchdowns.. more Rushing touchdowns , more passing yards,more playoff wins, and better playoff stats then Lamar Jackson and he also has an MVP I don't care if opinion voters voted him MVP more than Josh because Josh could be a three-time MVP right now Josh Allen scores more points than Lamar Jackson and is a better postseason quarterback.. if you think Lamar is in Josh Allen is in Josh also went to a much worse franchise than the Baltimore Ravens and turned them around.. Lamar Jackson went to one of the most steadfast franchises of the last 25 years Yeah Josh Allen is ahead of Lamar Jackson regardless of AP awards

Because if Josh Allen played the same amount of years as Matt Ryan he would smoke his touchdown total lol If you think Lamar is in Josh is squarly in I don't need their bogus metrics.. Josh Allen could and should have as many all pros as Lamar Jackson He has better stats and performs better in the postseason too.

Yes but that's not always the case John elway one of his two super bowls with shanahan in the West Coast offense.. and elway had the ability to play on script or he was the best improviser of his time

For sure A guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick thrived in a West Coast system Onscript he was literally tremendous when he was on fire he was one of the best in the world... Off script he quickly turned to meh Except when he took off and ran and then he had some skill