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You don’t understand the rules.

Someone explain why the tackle on Burkhead was a foul for defenseless receiver but the hit on Cooks’ incompletion wasn’t.

Ridiculous. That happens on every play. Hands were inside and had leverage.

I ain’t forgetting that hold called on Gurley’s run. Lol ***** no

I didn’t mean value in a player-for-player sense, more position wise. I think it’s way more important, if you want a great offense, to have good wideouts and RBs than it is to have a good TE. And I don’t advocate for drafting RB before the 3rd.

Go Rams. Hoping Gurley can dominate and their offense can control clock. Don’t leave this game up to Goff.

Man that would be a real waste imo...much like RB I don’t think there’s any value in taking a tight end in the first.

I'm not convinced that emphasizing RB over TE is an 80s mindset to tell the truth. If you take the top 5 offenses by yards (not the be-all and end-all of metrics, but they actually line up fairly well w/ PPG as well so I think they're a decent reference point) you're looking at KC, Rams, Bucs, Steelers, and New England. The Chiefs with Kelce (a top tier TE for sure) got 103 catches for 1336 yards, which is enormous production from the TE spot, but they still threw to their RBs for around 70 receptions and 700 yards, and that's without Hunt (a premier back in his own right) for 5 games. So for KC you can definitely make the argument that their TE is more important to their offense than RBs I think. But the Rams rely on Gurley in their passing attack WAY more than their TE. The Bucs have Howard and Brate and they get good production between the two of them, but they're still throwing to Rodgers at a good clip as a receiving back. The Steelers threw at Connor/Samuels more times for more catches and more yards than McDonald, their TE1, although once you add in James' combined production at the TE position it outpaces their RBs. In New England White caught more passes for more yards and more TDs than Gronkowski. If you add in the Saints (a very solid unit offensively), Kamara is far and away more important to their offense than whichever TE they run with in terms of productivity in the pass game. I'm not sure how often the Bucs or Steelers line up in 2 TE sets, but just going by these teams it seems to me that having TWO capable tight ends can help diversify your pass offense, but I stand by what I said about RBs playing as important if not more important a role than TEs in the best modern NFL offenses.

Got two $500 squares and another 500 on Rams +2.5

Just quick point that Gronkowski is actually being used as a decoy/blocker a ton lately to get mismatches for Pats RBs when defense goes nickel on him but other than that I tend to agree. Great TEs have mismatches all over the field, especially if they're effective blockers, but having good wideouts as someone suggested above is imo a lot more important.

Honestly don't know about this. IMO by far and away the best TE last season was Kittle in SF- they had a mediocre offense albeit one decimated by injuries. Kelce is great and played in a great offense, but Ertz is also great and played in a mediocre one. Ebron is a good TE and played in a good offense, but Cook is also a good TE and played in a bad offense. Rams, Saints, Steelers- all top offenses that manage just fine without a top quality TE. I don't think it's a position of importance any moreso than RB to tell the truth, when you look at the distribution of the best tight ends in the league there isn't a ton of correlation between the quality of your offense and the quality of your TE.

Yeh gonna have to go back and look at the tape to determine.

Tyrod Taylor thread in 2019? ... ... ...

Don't be a slave to trends. Be your own man.

Quenton Nelson.

Leonard w/ the Colts was very good too.

No I'm giving it to Mayfield.

200+ rushing yards w/ 70 more attempts doesn't impress me. Nor does the passing stat discrepancy considering who was throwing them the ball imo. Lindsay has more TDs/ touch, more yards/touch, and is generally the more efficient player rushing the ball. Everything Barkley did better than Lindsay was a function of usage, which isn't without value but doesn't tell the whole story at all.

Rams 27 Pats 24.

This is how I feel as well. Do you think David Johnson had a better year than Melvin Gordon too?

So never mind the fact that Lindsey was more effective than Barkley per carry...you're sticking with total yardage as your benchmark?

Do you ever worry that mocking someone's opinion without doing the requisite analysis might be a poor way of constructing an argument?

Do you assume everyone you disagree with is 'screwing with you'? Or that your opinion is so unassailable as to necessitate that question of others'?

Only back in the league to go for over 1000 yards in under 200 carries.

I liked Philip Lindsey better. And imo it's eminently debatable who the top RBs in the league are...I like Gurley, McCaffrey, Gordon, Kamara etc a ton too. Barkley is good no doubt but I can easily see the argument for Mayfield.