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LOL and Cover1 says he faced such fronts 24 times.

From what I saw we ran him a decent amount in 12 personnel...is it really that surprising he might have seen 8 man boxes more than eight times the whole season?

Yes you are correct, the nextgen stats are from the NFL and not ESPN. I will edit the post

Last year's class wasn't that highly regarded iirc...who would you have taken instead of our picks?

Yes. Our GM is scared to draft wideouts. Don't suppose you ever stop and think about what you're typing

Nice video!

Yes I know

It COULD be both, certainly, but from what I've seen it's more likely that it isn't.

theyre doomed

I mean in hindsight it's an obvious call

batting 1.000 so far

I acknowledged the possibility of ESPN having a different definition of '8 men in the box' due to how they gather their data via sensors in the OP. But imo the stills I put up are perfectly appropriate examples of traditional 8man fronts taken either immediately pre or post snap...I'm obviously trying to have an honest discussion or I wouldn't have gone through the trouble. You contend that these 8 plays are the entirety of the 5.3% of carries vs 8man fronts ESPN calculated for Singletary?

I did you one better and provided film. Would you care to elaborate or simply throw insults around

Still think he only faced 8man fronts 5.3% of the time?

It was used with such conviction though Are you prepared to say that maybe he faced more than 8 carries against 8man fronts? Do you understand how averaging a high amount of time behind the LOS is NOT really a good argument for an 'inflated' YPC?

I don't disagree. This was a particular conversation regarding certain specific aspects of Singletary's overall game, his propensity to face an inordinately low % of 8man fronts included.

Sorry, 1000% sample size

ESPN says he only faced an 8 man box 8 times. If these are the 8 times then I think it's fair to draw some conclusions from 100% sample size.

Yes, these questions are supposedly answered by the Nextgen stats...which was kind of the point of the exercise. If the plays above are the 8 times all year he faced an 8man front, he was actually more effective against it than his average attempt. If they're not, then ESPN's calculating their 8man box very differently than what that defense looks like traditionally. As it stands, I see little evidence suggesting either is incorrect.

Of course, which is why I specifically chose 8 plays: that's the amount that (according to NextGen stats) he faced an 8 man front all season ESPECIALLY true against a run heavy team like the Bills

gained 7 yards on this play and finally cause my computer didn't like all these photos- gained 15 yards on the ground ...to recap- these are 8 examples of Singletary rushing against an 8 man box. Theoretically (according to NextGen stats) this is all the rushes he had vs such fronts. Except I know that can't be the case since his YPA on these rushes was a sterling 13.25 and according to the aforementioned posters his YPA was inflated by the lack of facing 8 men in the box. From this we can surmise A- NextGen stats and I have a different definition of 8men in the box (totally possible- as we know the nextgen stats are computed via chip in players helmets/pads so they may not set off close enough to LOS, but cmon...these are definitely 8 man fronts by any stretch, majority run downs as well) as well as B- they might have calculated Singletary's 5.3% vs 8men in the box very low (because these are simply from his highlight reel as referenced above, I don't have the energy to go through every single snap) ie calculated it incorrectly and finally C-unless he lost a TON of yards on a BUNCH of other attempts vs 8man fronts (possible but imo wildly unlikely enough to bring down a 13.25 ypa) then the idea that his overall YPA was inflated due to facing an inordinately small percentage of 8 man fronts is simply incorrect.

this one went for 14 gained 16 yards on this play he ran for 9 yards here

Recently @thebandit27 @Blokestradamus and I had a discussion about Singletary's sparkling 5.1 yards per carry (good for 4th in the league for qualifying RBs). The point of contention was that his average was inflated due to seeing a very low amount of 8man boxes, as illustrated by the NFL's NextGen stats ranking him dead last among RBs facing such defenses at a rate of only 5.3% of his total carries. For reference, Tevin Coleman faced the highest amount of 8man at 40.15% of his rushes. That is a large discrepancy. Singletary had 151 total attempts last season, and some quick math says he only faced what NextGen refers to as an '8 man box' eight times throughout the season. If true, that could explain his high YPA...he was getting carries vs nickel and taking advantage of some good playcalling from Daboll. Not having anything better to do I pulled up his highlight reel (more on this later) to see what it showed. Examples below- ...one of his first carries against the Jets, went for 21 yards. another carry against the Jets, this one went for 13. gained 14 yards here more to follow

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doesn't he know this is how you're supposed to do it