Toledo Bill

Being only an hour from Detroit, I semi-follow the Lions when I have exhausted Bills coverage. The Bills really wanted to draft this guy a few years ago. Well, let me tell you first-hand... he stinks. He has no arm and has a distinct lack of courage. He is a complete bust (watch him throw for 300 yards today). Yes, we are saddled with Drew, but this guy would have been no better.

1. DC Tom... we can have a spelling contest 2. Rico... entertaining poster 3. John from Hemet... seems to be a devout fan with rational thoughts 4. There is a poster who lists himself as a 40 year Bills fan. The name escapes me, but I would enjoy discussing the Bills with someone who has been around as long as I have.

Let me ask you this... if Losman had played and had the exact same day Drew had, how many of you would claim he had a great game and helped us win?

I cannot agree with your statement about being one to two players away. I know you said to put the New England game aside, but how can you? They showed themselves to be a bunch of quitters. Their defensive leader (Fletcher) is a prima donna and very overrated. Posey hasn't shown much. Our two defensive tackles are getting old (although I like some of our second stringers) and our defensive ends are going to be manhandled by good running teams. Our defensive backfield is porous and old. Our placekicker is not the best and where do we start on the offense? I am so disappointed in their lack of heart in the New England game that I have very little respect for the players on this team. Also, who is going to get us the one or two players? Ol' Whitey???????

My mistake... I didn't catch the fire Donahoe part. Great plan!

That is pretty good, but can you see Captain Ego actually doing something like that?

That's an excellent thought but as long as our coach is Donahoe's puppet... ain't going to happen. I understand the logic that no other team wanted Matthews, etc. But he could not play any worse than Drew...

Point taken, but I still feel the D quit... just like everyone else on Sunday. Every team we play will run some behomeths at Schoebel. Our linebackers were nonexistent (I don't know where Fletcher got 11 tackles). Other than an occassional burst from Adams, there was no intensity. When our front 7 plays poorly, our deficiencies in the secondary are glaring. We might continue to do ok against weak teams, but the elite will run over this defense... improved offense or not.

Of course he is a TD puppet... that's why Mr. "Pittsburgh Connection" hired him...

One comment I disagree on involves Clements. I think he has been playing well other than one or two bad (alright, stupid) plays. I would consider him pretty close to a "shutdown corner".

Can't argue with that. They had really "sucked me into" believing they were a quality defense. Yeah, they are a great defense against crappy teams. For over 40 years I have tried to remain optimistic about the Bills... this is the worst I have felt about a team. They were quitters against New England and I can't stomach that. All this supposed talent cannot suck it up when it counts. All we're missing is Harvey Johnson.

Yeah, well I miss Polian too. They are contenders even with a crappy defense. He is a proven top flight GM.

Bill Polian mentored John Butler who mentored A.J. Smith Tom Donahoe mentored himself to be a politician and not a strong GM/President

Hell... we went to the red helmets for Ferguson... what can we do for Drew???

Why not compare our situation to Pittsburgh? Power struggle... Cowher wins, look at them now. Ol Whitey loses... look at us now. We take their offensive coordinator... they support a rookie QB with 7 straight wins, we can't call an offensive game worth a crap We lose out on LeBeau... their defense is stifling, ours plays with no heart or plan. They didn't even adjust to help out our lightweight Schoebel on the sweeps Why not compare... they are doing everything right, we are doing everything wrong thanks to Donadick!

when he punted from the 35 during the first drive (with a "smash mouth" team)

Oh yeah, and who has built a winner in San Diego of all places? Butler protege... AJ Smith. And we've got Ol' Whitey...

And their defense is great with Le Beau!

If the Bills get a couple of turnovers, the game will be competitive. We are playing the world champs, so my pick is based on foolish optimism... Bills 21 Patriots 20 I might as well blindly hope!

I think the biggest difference is that they are playing with confidence, in no small part due to McGahee. On several runs in between the tackles he hits a wall (Travis would be stopped at that point) and bounces outside for a gain. He is also dragging tackelers for extra yards. I am not slamming Travis, but I really think McGahee has helped boost confidence.

typical Fletcher... hustles and makes a great play and then starts celebrating instead of helping block...

when Nance said the Jets had a let down against Buffalo (during the game they covered). He stated that Buffalo was a very good team and made several compliments about them. Sims generates some negative comments on this board, but he calls them as he sees 'em and was very upbeat about the Bills.

Jim Kelly's stats (including) sacks his last year (or 2). While everyone debates whether Drew is shot or not, I seem to remember Kelly getting sacked and having a lot rougher time his last year or two due to the demise of our offensive line. I am not stating this as gospel, so I'd appreciate any attacks being held to a minimum... I am just asking for anyone that has a better memory than me or who might be a "stat" person. I believe that this analysis will support the theory that our problem lies more with our line than Drew.

I'd like to ask him if he had any control or input on personnel issues. I am sure that Captain Ego Donahoe gave him zero input. Of course with pick-ups like Eddie Robinson, maybe he didn't earn any opportunities.