Nihilarian

I turned the game off...

And that's the starters. The backups wouldn't make a college team.

Welp, now we know that more than just the offensive line sucks... 1st pick overall here we come

A lot of draft sites have the Buffalo Bills selecting the #1 overall pick next year and I'm starting to think they are right

It's otherwise and it's been that way all preseason.

Hey, just noticed that the red zone is working if you have it.

He has four more to go this half...

To me the Bills FO would be beyond stupid to trade away McCarron considering how bad that current Buffalo offensive line has performed. I'd say by week six all three Bills QBs will be on IR.

2019 NFL draft rankings: It’s going to be a great year for pass rushers https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2018/8/30/17794992/2019-nfl-mock-draft-players-rankings-nick-bosa-ed-oliver-justin-herbert-dexter-lawrence DRAFTWIRE Has Buffalo selecting the first overall pick. 1. Buffalo Bills | Nick Bosa | EDGE | Ohio State It's best player available for the Bills, who already have what they hope is a franchise… https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2019-nfl-mock-draft-updated-projections-heading-into-week-1/ Walterfootball.com also has the Buffalo Bills selecting the #1 overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft. http://walterfootball.com/draft2019charlie.php

Mario was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL in Buffalo under Pettine, Schwartz. His problems started when Rex Ryan took him out of a 4-3 and put him in his 3-4 defense to play DE. Thus instead of asking him to solely rush the passer, he was asked to take on the 300 plus offensive tackle or drop into pass coverage while the Bills craptastic linebackers were supposed to make plays. This is why Rex Ryan's defense sucked so badly! Dareus not only had off the field issues he also got lazy in Buffalo once he got that big contract. While Mack is a force to be reckoned with in Oakland's 4-3 defensive scheme. He is also somewhat undersized as an NFL defensive end @ 6'3 252 LBs. Mario was 6'6' 300 Lbs. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread that the Bills and Bills fans have been down this road before with a pass rusher. The Bills led the NFL in sacks and pass rush and it didn't even get them into the playoffs. At this point, the Bills need more talent at many positions rather than one DE who can rush the passer. As for all the fans wanting to give up TWO first round picks for Mack. Just remember that in the time leading up to the last draft that 90% of Bills fans wanted this FO to give up TWO first round picks and perhaps that 2019 first round pick all to the NY Giants to move up to take Josh Rosen with the #2 overall pick. Both Beane and McD know what they are doing and I highly doubt we will ever see Mack in a Bills uni for anything close to even a number one pick or make the guy one of the highest paid defensive players in the NFL. Leave this to the more stupid NFL GM's.

Whaley made so many stupid moves too. Bills fans forget that Whaley personally went down to Fla and scouted EJ and he made the choice on him. Then attempted to build around a bad choice at QB. Two firsts and a fourth for a WR when the team didn't have a solid franchise QB. Whaley signed OG Chris Williams for 13.5 mill, 5.5 guaranteed money for a player that lasted 3 games. Anyone remember WR Mke Williams, OG Sam Young, OG Doug Legursky? Incognito and Tyrod Taylor were Rex Ryan's guys as he vouched for Richie and he wanted Taylor signed. Whaley had his chance with Richie the year before to sign him and didn't. Jerry Hughes move was a mistake of that imbecile GM of the Colts who wanted to foolishly rid the team of Bill Polians last 1st round draft pick as he called Whaley to start the negotiations. Same with McCoy as Chip Kelly wanted him off the team and called Whaley to start negotiations. Allowing WR Chis Hogan to leave to NE. Whaley also got this team into cap hell and helped make the wrong choices on head coaches. The biggest knock on the guy is how many of his draft picks are still with the team today? The 2017 draft doesn't count as most are pretty sure McD made those choices. Both Whaley and the entire scouting dept were fired after the 2017 draft. There is a real reason as to why Whaley is currently not an NFL GM. "It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play." *Anyway, I think that Beane, McD has the ship headed in the right direction. Just want to see that offensive line rebuilt with some quality talent.

When the Bills signed Mario Williams for 100 million in 2013 he came to a near perfect fit defense for his skillset and Mike Pettine did utilize him accordingly. Mario had 13 sacks in 2013 with a defense that was 20th in points allowed, 10th in yards allowed. That 2013 Buffalo Bills team finished the year 6-10. Buffalo was the number two team in sacks that year behind only Carolina. In 2014 the Buffalo Bills defense with new DC Jim Schwartz was the number four defense overall #4 in points allowed, #4 in points allowed. This was the perfect scheme for Mario Williams as he led the entire NFL in sacks with 14.5 and Buffalo led the NFL in sacks with 54. The 2014* Buffalo Bills finished the season 9-7 and no playoffs. In 2017 the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs for the first time since 2000 and they were 29th in the NFL in sacks with only 27. Meanwhile, the Oakland Raiders with Mack was 24th in the NFL with 30 sacks. Speaking of Mack his best year was in 2015 in which he had 15 sacks, 2016, 11 sacks, 2017, 10 sacks. While Mack is a good pass rusher... did he make the Raiders a playoff team in 2017 with his pass rush? In a word, NO! The 2017 Oakland Raiders were 17th overall defense with 20th in points allowed, 23 in yards allowed. Not a very good defense. Like others have pointed out that this current Buffalo Bills team isn't one pass rusher away from a super bowl or even the playoffs, much less a winning season. The Buffalo Bills already went through this with DE Mario Williams and Bills fans going nuts (hundreds of pages in a post in this forum) thinking that he was the key to a Buffalo Bills championship. He wasn't and the Bills had a far more talented roster at that time. Last year 15 players had more sacks than Mack. Making a player like Mack one of the highest paid defensive ends in the league and giving up two first-round picks to the Raiders for him would be more than moronic considering how many holes this team currently still has. I think the Bills FO inquired because of the need for a decent pass rusher and now that they know what It would take to acquire the player I think it's cost prohibitive both money wise and draft picks wise.

The Bills paid 100 million to Mario Williams and had the best pass rush in the NFL...where did it get them? The Bills had Marcel Dareus one of the very best DT's in the league and he got paid and got lazy. Two first rounders for Sammy, was he worth that, is he worth what he is now getting paid? Paying all that money and draft choices to and for Mack is another fool's errand. This team is in the process of being built properly and while Mack might look like a bright, new shiny toy... all bringing him in would do is hurt the process on so many levels.

While it is true that he did go into his shell against the Patriots the week after the Chiefs win. Tyrod did play better against the Dolphins 2x and the Patriots the second time. He found his shell again for the Jags playoff game and hence a big reason for trading him away and trading up for a QB. Speaking of that Chiefs win Tyrod did play better on the road at Arrowhead against a future playoff team and he ended that game with a rating of 94.5. Looking at those numbers Peterman had against the Saints when they were dominating the Bills in that game I can see why McD might take a chance in starting him the following week. I'm not making excuses for anyone as I'm just giving my 2 cents.

I think that the Peterman start was a part of a big reason as to why OC Rick Dennison was fired as he probably told McD that the guy was ready to make a start. As bad as it looked... it was actually a good thing because it lit a fire under Tyrod's butt and he stopped being so tentative like he was against the Saints which got him benched in the first place. Anyone else recalls that in more than three quarters against that New Orleans team Tyrod went 9 of 18 for 56 yards, one INT with a rate of 33.6. Then Peterman came in late in the fourth quarter and went 7 of 10 for 79 yards and one TD with a rate of 126.7.

Should Peterman develop into a starting NFL QB nobody will really care about that Charger game. The thing is, I highly doubt he will develop behind that current putrid Buffalo Bills offensive and we may see more five-interception games by all the Bills QB's. Go rewatch that Cleveland game to see AJ McCarron didn't have more than two seconds to make a throw and defenders were in the backfield as he was handing off. The same thing with Allen against the Bengals only he was able to hand off for some decent runs. Opposing teams will stack the box to stop the run and force them to attempt to pass then run/pass blitz all game long...jailbreak after jailbreak. By week four the Buffalo Bills might be out of starting QBs as they will all be on IR... Now the Bills have three guys just like RT Mills in RG Miller, OC Groy, and LG Ducasse. Might as well save some money and cut everyone but Dawkins and just put in mechanical turnstiles as they might actually slow someone down a bit.

Don't get wrong here as I love the Allen pick and was advocating for him long before many were even aware of him. I just don't care to see him ruined before he has a chance to develop. Allen was the right pick it's just that he is a bit of a project and needs some time to develop or a very stout line/run game to help him develop quicker. As of now, it looks like the Bills have neither as teams will stack the box to stop the run and force the pass...then blitz when they do pass. Peterman should start the season as QB. Beane needs to do some magic and conjure up a quality center, left/right guard, and right tackle. What's crazy is Dawkins was drafted to replace Mills at RT because he was a liability and now the weaker links are the inside linemen. As for Bridgewater, he was an unknown due to his severe knee injury and nobody knows if he will ever hold up in a 16 game season.

I'd still rather see AJ McCarron. Peterman getting battered, injured, concussed for the first half of this season than the #7 draft pick that the team spent quite a bit to move up to get him. You can scheme all you want and it isn't going to help this slew of scrubs on the line pass block any better. I'm almost starting to think that perhaps the team will be signing Colin Kaepernick by week 6 to replace the Bills QB's on IR. He might actually be able to escape the rush to survive the rest of the season.

I agree and I'd add they also have one of the very worst offensive line coaches too. This FO basically ignored the line "talent wise" with the thinking that any big body can play an offensive lineman. Considering the team drafted Dion Dawkins with a #2 pick we (me) all thought the FO had an actual plan to replace Woods, Incognito and they don't. Dawkins was supposed to replace Mills at RT which would have been a big upgrade. Now the team is desperate for a quality center, LG, RG, RT and who knows if Dawkins will hold up the LT position without Incognito to help him out. The 2017 Buffalo Bills offensive line is a shambles and I don't see a quick fix out of this mess. The one thing that bothers me so very much is that over the years the Bills coaches/GM can see the need for super high talented defensive line players like Dareus, Mario Williams and yet don't feel the need to upgrade the line with similar quality talent to block those types of players. A 100 million dollar DE and where did it get them? The #4 overall defense in the NFL in 2014 with the best pass rush in the NFL and it didn't even get them into the playoffs. The offensive line and QB position are where this team has failed since the super bowl era. When will Buffalo Bills coaches, GMs get it?

I was a big Josh Allen fan before the draft and still am. That said, I think the guy better to start the year and take the heat is Peterman and then AJ McCarron. That offensive line was not giving that rookie time to throw and with him being a rookie he made rookie mistakes against the Bengals. Both AJ and Nate have actual NFL starting experience and might actually survive those first few games. Who starts the season at QB this year is meaningless in the bigger picture. It's who survives to become the franchise QB to take this team to a championship is what matters.

ROFL, let him get his arse handed to him at QB and then let's see his take on those players. Castillio is a joke as is his offensive line which is truly offensive! This kinda reminds me of Doug Marrone out on the field showing the linemen how to do it and they then fall on their faces hard. How the guy kept his job after last year's line performance, run game performance was a bit bewildering.

I had thought this FO had a plan to upgrade the line and clearly, they did not. Someone (I'm thinking Castillio) must have told the HC, GM that he could make do with these particular players and yet he couldn't get it done with Incognito, Woods last year. Last year the run game took a big hit in yards, TDs for most of the season until McCoy started doing his Barry Sanders impression and the yards picked up somewhat but the rushing TDs, YPC went south. 2016 #1 in rushing yards, #1 in rushing TDs, #1 in yards per average carry. #2 in attempts vs 2017 #4 in rushing attempts, #6 in rushing yards, #15 in rushing TDs, #14 in yards per average carry. Huge dropoff in rushing TDs, yards per carry average with the same RB, basically the same line. Dawkins in for Glenn and there wasn't that big a dropoff at LT. While the OC got the blame for the QB dropoff as should the run game coordinator/line coach in Juan Castillio. Without Woods in the middle and Incognito to help with the QBs blind side this year looks like a lost cause.

I agree as Bills fans need to think of this season of 16 games with Peterman playing last years Chargers game over and over. The Bills have played the Bengals, Browns so far and neither are near the level of the Vikings, Chargers or Ravens defense wise. Scary stuff. OTOH, If an assclown like Buddy Nix can find Pears and Urbik off of the waiver wire in 2010 to save the season I suspect Beane can do even better. This team is desperate for a quality center and two guards. That right tackle position could stand to be upgraded too. JMHO If this FO wants to save this season and their new franchise QB, Beane had better move heaven and earth to make a trade somehow. They traded Tyrod so Allen was a must. Besides Glenn is already injured again. I'm not going to fault this FO for going after Edmunds but that is the pick that could have translated into some quality O linemen.

The Buffalo Bills had one of the very best left tackles in the league in Jason Peters and yet the line still stunk because he is only one player and can really only help himself and perhaps help out the LG somewhat. The main problem with the line against the starting defenses the last two games was not at LT but mostly at OC, OG positions and the overall line actually managed to run the ball at times. That will stop once teams stack the box to stop the run and dare to beat them with the pass. Plus, last time I looked the Bengals and Browns didn't field a top ten defense. If Bills fans think things look bleak now just wait until they play the Ravens, Chargers, Vikings to start the season.

The problem isn't just communication or lack thereof as it's more about lack of talent across the line. Dawkins looked decent last year because he had pro bowl Incognito next to him and this year he doesn't. Plus, now he probably needs to help whom ever is playing LG. You can't expect to replace three pro bowl players with backups/scrubs and have anywhere near the same success. Dawkins is about the only line player I have any hope for this season.