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Seems as if he only dropped 8 spots. And most of those were not teams looking for an edge player. We're not talking about a player everyone thought would be top 5 (Myles Jack) were talking about a guy most people had going at 11. It was a drop but not much of one. Also it's his shoulder. As long as he doesn't have to be a QB I think he'll be ok. He seemed to handle Stanley fine with out it functioning (the rematch @ 100% would have been interesting).

Maybe you need to look at Kelsay's numbers again. I liked him but they were far from remarkable.

Its a SHOULDER. He'll be ok. I think he will out perform Kelsay.

Shefter did report it and it was shot down by our organization and Lawson. He hurt it during a practice so yes that is surprising. See my points above about the drop but it seems to me that the Bears wanted Floyd which meant Lawson fell into our lap. It was not a huge drop (could have been but we'll never know). I would also say the Bears really wanted Floyd which is why they traded up to get him rather than they didn't like Lawson.

It seems legit considering this and eMoulds record + dire prediction. I was really excited to see his play too. I think Lawson can hold down the fort for a bit, but its obviously not what I wanted.

It was reaggravated during practice. Do other teams have crystal balls? He was flagged by only one team for a follow up at the combine. It's not as if there were a bunch worried. His drop was never fully explained but many had him being picked by the Bears at 11 so his drop was not that big. The Bears just really wanted Floyd (thus the move up). Outside of the Bears not taking him, I'm not sure why it was considered a big drop.

Yup sounds like Manny to start the season. This is why we don't have nice things. Thanks for the heads up by eMoulds. I'm already to the acceptance part of the grieving.

First game is fool's gold to me. Remember last year and how great we felt after week 1. I am also going to say the 10/30 NE game for reasons listed above.

Exactly. Thanks for posting but that one was hilarious.

That was a weird way to judge the draft. Only the top 100 players that we grade count. Our 3rd, 4th, and 5th are worth no points??? This feels like one of the more terrible ways to assess a draft.

Because of his shoulder injury? It's been pretty clear that it is not necessary this year.

I see that now on a third read. Sorry about that.

Like I was trying to say that game doesn't really change your point, but you've done a good job providing data in you other posts so I was surprised you had this one wrong.

Ahh.. Indianapolis...? But I do get that was a game we dominated until the 4th quarter.

I know you had other conversations about speed off the line, but I wanted to throw another tangent thought in. (FTR I just said on the other thread that Striker is a one trick pony). Striker is asked to run around players and Shaq is asked to run through them (many times making a read first). I still need to see a whole game of Strikers, but he seems to excel at one thing (Edge rushing the passer). In the NFL, where tackles have better feet/technique, I think this strategy will be less effective. Shaq (whose game tape I've seen a lot of) on almost every play is required to make run/pass/edge reads, and then run through OTs to set the edge on his rush. I think scheme requirements explains their difference in speed off the ball (not some sort of "football" versus "spandex" speed). For me measurables come in during pass coverage. The highlight video in the UDFA thread showed ONE pass break up for Striker. Shaq doesn't break pass plays up, but he does force throws not to be thrown (and if they are thrown he punishes the receiver). Why are we even comparing our 1st round pick to a UDFA? Our #1 is better. Our UDFA is really good pass rusher, but is a really good edge rusher.

So... long time reader, first time buzz kill. That highlight reel for Striker was great, but it only showed me one trick (I know UDFA, but you guys have given him 14 pages). I will try to find a draft breakdown to see a whole ball game because his highlight reel left me thinking he would only play in obvious pass downs. Yes he has great speed, but in the NFL the tackles have better feet/technique. Additionally, Rex likes chess pieces that can do multiple things (particularly against the pass), and his abilities seem specialized towards outside pass rush. I do like Zimmer even though he also plays in obvious pass downs too. I can explain when I've had less Fireball.

I thought we all agreed that 5.6M was too much cap space for rookies. I thought we said something closer to 3 mil because of the rule of 53.

I was wondering how he choose those games, cause he did not do any favors to anyone (except maybe Lawson) with the games he showcased. The Shaq game was great to see him go against one of the topic picks in the draft (I honestly could not say who won that match up).

I agree he does look like an improvement on Goodwin, but the question will really be if he can learn to run routes. If so then this could be a steal.

As I said before, I think this is by design. I was also slightly concerned about this watching other games too, but I realized he is being asked to make pass/run and read option reads on every play. That tells me his coaches trust his thinking. I think he will be a good OLB for us because of his ability to make reads. I forget the time, but in that game Dodd was asked to make a read and drop into coverage. He was a little too slow and didn't get deep enough. Cost his team a 20+ yard play. When he is asked to rush the passer he gets off the line with everyone else.

I also saw Shaq being required to make a lot reads. The times he was asked to go after the QB he did alright, but when he did have to read it caused him to be a step behind (as you would expect). I was really impressed at the way he compressed the line and read the option. This was a good battle between Stanley and Shaq. Hard to say who won exactly.

Again I'll respond to off topic material. Who cares about 2011? Whaley wasn't the GM scouting Taylor. Flash Forward to 2015 and Whaley WAS the GM that brought Taylor in. He's the GM and personnel is his game (even if the HC begs). So you AGAIN your point is moot. I'm also excited for a high ceiling low risk player. We needed a QB this draft. We got a QB with some of the best measurable. Previously, we had to take a player like this in the first round.

Hogan says hello from WR cast off island. Is he the 1 in 10,000 you are talking about cause I think your math is WRONG. Back on topic, I didn't know anything about this pick, and originally scoffed at a RB pick. Looking closer I am very excited to get a high ceiling player at skill position of need. I have been very excited with how this draft played out. Sorta wondering what we can get from the UDFA class.

So I don't think consensus means every single person so I don't think you misused it. However, with some time to think about this situation, I think it was that no one knew what to think after the late breaking news. Since it was announced so close to the draft no one even had time to ask him "WTF." Teams are risk averse and so universal consensus was not to use a 1st on him because microfracture surgery is tricky. Now with some time, I wouldn't be surprised if his comments get contextualized (its not that bad) and he gets taken very early in the second. We'll know soon.

Yeah I agree and understand. But I was responding to a ridiculous post that said a Jack is a "waste of a pick." Not 1st round pick but a pick. Also the poster said his knee was done. I'm not so sure. Obviously it wasn't worth a 1st round but I think hell get drafted tonight. Still hoping it us