Sojourner

thanks, I’ve noticed that these last 3 weeks his involved has increased dramatically. Thought maybe it’s Chase then Higgins and he’s fighting for scraps. Seems that there some serious talent potential there.

He is? Weird. He’s listed on every single site as WR. Including the Bengals very own website and depth chart… Their tight ends are Sample/Gesicki/Fant/Hudson/Grandy. Oh well, I’ll take your word for it.

This #80, Iosivas for the Bengals seems like an interesting player. Is he just stuck behind Higgins?

Heck of a throw by Rodgers.

It’s frustrating because we know what we have at the QB position. A once in a generation QB. Expecting him to put on the cape every game is wrong and delusional but even just borderline decent games from Josh would have won these last 2 games if not 3 comfortably. @TheBrownBear said it perfectly. The team doesn’t play well on either side of the ball at the same time. Defense is clearly an issue but can show up. Offense is clearly our life support but sometimes doesn’t show up. Not to repeat but for as bad as the defense is and has been the last few games, they’ve done enough, barely, to keep us in games. Offense and Josh hasn’t executed hence the hole we are in.

Hey man, I’m on record acknowledging this team goes as far as Josh takes us. He’s an absolute stud. I see all sides of the pine.. the defense being a serious issue the coaching staff not being up to par lack of talent at the WR position I don’t disagree with anything there. Not for a second. There was so many plays left on the field that were a combination of the coaching staff AND Josh. @JakeFrommStateFarm highlighted about Bijan’s 171 yards and a TD on the ground. Out of that total he put up 138 and the TD in the first half. Defense/STs did enough to get us back in the game. 3 stopped drives after the boys made it 14-21. One of those drives they took 3 off the scoreboard with a blocked FG. Josh’s failed 4th down pass to Ty Johnson and the botched snap on 3rd down were back breakers. Either of them go the opposite way it probably turns out a different game. Lots of blame to go around and as much as people want to pile it on the defense, it was a collective effort by the team top to bottom; including the MVP.

First half was atrocious. Absolutely disgusting to watch but we knew Bijan is no joke and they were going to feed him. Second half, the last scoring Falcons drive aside, the defense didn’t do bad in comparison to the first. That last scoring drive for Atlanta was defined by one play; the pass to Bijan on busted coverage for 25 yards. After that it was pretty much a wrap in terms of time we would have had left. Even then, do they stop the 3rd down conversion if the pass went incomplete? Who knows. The Shaw Thompson potential pick 6 absolutely nailed the coffin shut. The offense, like so many other games, didn’t put up points when the defense finally started making stops. The failed 4th down flip to Ty Johnson to end the 3rd quarter… FG is blocked by Rousseau on the drive immediately after. Literally 3 plays and a punt. Not good enough. Ty Johnson and Cook for 9 yards on two downs only to do some BS trickery that resulted in a fumble. Game is in the potential balance. Big boy pants need to go on and bully them for the yard with Josh or cook.

There is verbiage built into every play that the line will know their assignments. On top of this, that terminology is highlighted and walked through during practices. That play something changed from the initial call to alignment. And that check was clearly on Josh. Ekitibe (#17) and Eliss (#55) don’t rush or engage at all; both drop into coverage. Alford (#20) doesn’t cover Shakir either which is why you end up with 2 free rushers on that side. Brilliant disguised call by Ulbrich. On that throw, could have gone to Coleman or Shakir in my opinion. Either that or just run right, Brown was blocking nobody I believe. Whatever his presnap read was it was taken away immediately so i am guessing Knox?

You’re right, that is a tough throw to make but there is a guy open there. Would be tough. I’ve acknowledged that in another post, however the play is there to an open guy (when all I hear is no one’s open). It also seems you’re dead set Josh was a minimal problem. That’s fine. He rarely is ever THE problem but he certainly was A problem against Atlanta. And just like your initial screenshot, you’re cherry picking something in the same timeframe to dismiss Josh making an error. I played football for 13 years. Shavers and Coleman aren’t running into each other there dude, there’s at least a yard between their depths. That’s a pick on one defender if anything. On top of that, in the same screenshot you have a guy wide open in the flat running a wheel route. I am highlighting there was bad QB play… that’s it. If you’re twisting it as I am saying it’s solely on Josh then there initial post you replied to asking for receipts you must have misunderstood.

🤦‍♂️ Oh boy. There’s pressure sure. But a guy like Josh has the ability to literally read the field in one or two seconds. On top of that he knows the play, his hot route or release on the concept. The first sack, the one by Ruke I can give you as that is on the other side of the field where the open man is. The third down one? It’s right in front of him, 2 guys. A wheel and a dig. The latter is picking up 5-6 yards minimum. The wheel route? Who knows. That could be a house call. Your bolded words are indicative of a problem that’s creeping up again. Josh holding the ball too long. Sure it’s down to personnel not being consistently open but that’s a tough task to ask man… there isn’t an elite/all-pro guy out there running routes. However, there was guys open at several points throughout the game, the question or problem is whether Josh saw them.

Lol. There’s screenshots above. Unless I’ve just used AI to generate them? Check the all-22 yourself. You aren’t going to have guys open every single play of the game. Let alone multiple guys. Sometimes it’s only one and the QB has to find him. Every screen shot above (with the exception of the run play) there is a receiver open… again. Every. Single. Screen shot.

They are all bad decisions by Josh man. There’s the receipts. That is back to back drives early in the game there was plenty more I can assure you. I don’t know what to tell you other than Josh was not good. Plenty of guys getting open so that excuse can go out the window. It’s looking more and more like Josh is back to his initial read and sticking with it; like you said… predetermined. If Josh Allen isn’t able to check runs, especially when you have box alignment like that then that’s a problem. Especially as he just secured an MVP accolade. We were allowed to run check during varsity football man lol…

Ok. Let’s get into it. Also find it funny you’re asking me to bring receipts when in that screen grab you’re not far off from plenty of poor decisions by Josh. QTR 1, 6:26, 1st & 10 (7-7) Josh incomplete to Dawson Knox. (Not a bad throw, just impressive breakup by Deablo for ATL. Cook getting wide open in the flat with the only defender having his back to the play, first downs so the safer pass wouldn’t have been bad; Josh is reading that side of the field after all) QTR 1, 6:21, 2nd & 10 (7-7) Josh right guard for no gain (Should have thrown the swing pass. Lanes are clogged and if the pass gets by the edge defender it’s blocked pretty well) QTR 1, 0:20, 1st & 10 (7-14) Cook left guard for no gain (Run should have been checked to the better side of the box instead of going left. Blocking certainly didn’t help but the matchups to run right before the snap are extremely favorable) QTR 2, 15:00, 2nd & 10 (7-14) Josh incomplete to Keon (Plenty of options if you’re including the throw he chose. Knox in the middle. Ty Johnson wide open coming across, only defender who can make the play is tied up with Knox.) The immediate play after is a pass to Shakir for 15 yards and a first down, which is funny because the concept is almost identical to the throw before with the exception no RB. Far less time for Josh to throw than the incompletion to Keon too. Very strange. QTR 2, 13:16, 2nd & 8 (7-14) Josh sacked by Ruke Orhorhoro QTR 2, 12:42, 3rd & 8 (7-14) Josh sacked by DeAundre Alford for -15. For the 2 sacks, if you can’t see the issue then I don’t know what to tell you. Especially the 3rd down one. See plenty of people crying and screaming there’s no one open. These screenshots are 2 drives. Plenty of people open. Plenty of bad decisions. Critiquing Josh for having a bad game is treated like a cardinal sin. Facts are facts. Josh didn’t play great. That doesn’t diminish his talents or capabilities and why people treat pointing out such is absurd. I can go into more depth to prove to you even more there was some bad decisions that were made by Josh and also that people “weren’t open” again…

Yup. Was there also. Certainly seemed that way. Most of why we’ve seen is there’s only ever one guy open when we are passing, if any at all. Throw the blitz, give him little to no time to make a decision and this is what we are seeing. Not putting them on the same level as the Lions because the skill players they have are substantially better but like them if you can take away the ground game and force pressure to put the QB in an immediate decision, it’s your best chance for success. The Pats game wasn’t as bad as the Falcons; from a whole team standpoint, but Josh’s play wasn’t dissimilar and I can only completely agree having watched it in person, on TV and the All-22 that something is indeed off. Like @Casey D said, Josh is too good not to rebound. We’ll get back to better play.

Here come the lynch mob for Jim. Apparently you can support Josh til the end of days but are unable to critique him by some people when he’s actually had a bad game. Not a lot was good, if any, against the Falcons but we did in fact lose a game because of Josh; not Josh alone but he played a significant part.

Ok Barb.

And all of that was essentially what I said which you quoted lol

Ok thanks. Just think that’s one name on the poorer teams that has no chance of being moved. Saints don’t have much room to work with in the cap, $14m in the red I believe and did pick up Olave’s contract. Think that’s the point why they’d move on from him like some people are hoping. Gives them more cap flexibility whilst recouping a high draft pick and possible player/s? Texans don’t have much either but significant space that some restructuring would help. Add on to that Collins’ contract is factored into that, one that is extremely low in comparison to the league for a guy of his talents when healthy. Jayden Higgins and Jaylin Noel seem like they’re struggling and the only guy on that team outside of Collins who is worth anything is Tank Dell, who has serious durability concerns with his size. Collins is pivotal for Stroud and that offense’s future successes. That’s where I’m at. But, if in some world Collins is available you go balls to the wall.

Serious question; do you actually believe he is remotely available?!

Atlanta is rife with Gentleman’s Clubs. Must be his disguise.

Those moves smell of an Olave/Shaheed trade!

Absolute stud. In a previous post it’s understandable how he became a headcase in Pittsburgh. Would see nothing, make one or two catches; one of that type of quality you linked, and then back to nothing. It wasn’t like Pittsburgh had insane talent at that position too. I think many would be lead to frustration if they produced stuff like that then were given nothing for sustained periods. Someone mentioned him being a headcase like Antonio Brown and Diggs. I can see it but in the right circumstances where he is THE guy, I think he contains himself and shows some decorum.

Oh I understand that and I’m not advocating that he’s starter quality but he has the success to be a backup in this league. That SEC is filled with talent on the defensive lines who he lined up against regularly, a lot of which ended up being in the league albeit briefly. Im sure part was his counterparts on the line as well to facilitate that success but you don’t walk out of a stacked conference with all pro awards and a blocking trophy simply by winning on your size and strength alone. One singular isolated year? Sure. Multiple? That’s some talent there. Technique is fundamentally it in the pros so I can’t disagree on your main point. Especially given the work Kromer has done to develop the guys we’ve had in and out of the offensive line over the last 4 seasons

“retiring for you Gregg! Keep attending buddy!!”

Again, the guy is a number one. Targets 8-12 p/g) needed to meet the production and keep him complacent from throwing a tantrum. Dallas has worked wonders for him. 1) because CeeDee is injured and 2) he’s in a contract year after getting traded. Dude makes ridiculous catches routinely.