Sammy Watkins' Rib

Very nice. But $9.5 million? I guess they are not looking for a bidding war.

Hmm. Isn't there a poster on here with the handle The Ghost of Ralph Wilson?

Yeah. Why run for 5 ypc when you can throw for 8.5 per attempt at 70% completion and 0 INTs? Throwing the ball a lot used to be risky. In 2000 25 QB's threw 10 or more INTs and 11 threw 15 or more. Last year only 5 QBs threw 15 or more INTs and 15 threw 10 or more.

Yep. And what we will see, and have already seen, is the middle and floor get raised as the ceiling gets raised. 20-25 years ago a QB rating in the mid 90's probably meant you were top 5. Now a QB rating in the low 90's has you ranked somewhere between 12th and 19th depending on the year. The 2000 season though for example only had 7 QBs with a 90 QB rating or higher. What will happen is scoring will go up as overall QB play gets better. But we will still have bad QB's. Bad QB's will just be considered any QB with a rating less than 95. Crazy.

This is certainly a part of the reason why scoring is way up. But overall QB play being way up? I'm not sure. I could see lack of crowd noise being just as big a factor. It's probably like going through practice for some of these guys. They are dialed in. It's mostly holding penalties on the line that are drastically down right? Like 50%? That's certainly eliminating drive killing 2nd and long situations but QBs still have to make the throws to keep the chains moving.

Especially that Dolphins defense. In fact the Dolphins overall as a team actually might even be good, when we look at their 3 games now and the teams they have played and how they played them.

Very true. 79QBR is 19th ranked. What is is 32nd rank? 60 QBR? Basically it's likely a tight range of good QB play between 60 and 95. Which would be expected as you pointed out: NFL starting QB's should play well not under pressure. This is another excellent point. A fair comparison would be going back in history 10-20 years and seeing where all the 3rd year QB's ranked in these metrics.

My question is, that 79 QBR when not under pressure (19th rank in the league), wouldn't that include his two runs where he fumbled and lost the ball? I would imagine both those turnovers would have brought his QBR down quite a bit. If that's the case, I'm definitely not worried. But the other flaw here is where do Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson and Wilson rank in QBR when not pressured compared to their overall QBR's? Do they also have decreases in ranking from their overall QBR? All four of these QB's and Allen excel in avoiding pressure and creating secondary reaction type plays. Guys like say Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady on the other hand might have higher QBR ranks when not under pressure but lower QBR ranks overall. I'm sure the stats is out there somewhere but until we have it, for all we know guys like Cousins (well probably not this year) or Goff might have the highest QBR "not under pressure". And if that is the case, I don't really see the value. Just give me total QBR because a QB is going to be under pressure at some point of every game.

This must be SAR from JetNation

Honestly I was thinking of starting a similar thread before the season started. I'm sure it's not a very popular opinion but I think the case can be made. If ever their was a player that exhibited the fun for the game, the dedication, determination, the humility the sacrifice etc. you can go on and on, it's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's not just been with 8 teams. He's started a significant number of games for all 8 teams. A record that won't come close to being matched. He'd likely have my vote if I had one. The only thing to consider is if this somehow opens the doors for more players who just stuck around for a long time but didn't put up great numbers and were even back-ups. But I think Fitzpatrick is a unique enough case I'd be willing to make a one time exception.

Just based on it being hard to imagine him having a game worst than that with the playmakers we have and the offense we've been running with Allen.

I already know Allen is a franchise QB. But this is basically the game that will tell us if he is a legit MVP candidate, top 5 QB in the league or maybe just a top 10 QB. Allen's hot start has come with a heaping tablespoon of "yeah but". Fair enough given the opponents. Very similar to Jackson's start in 2019. After Jackson's two great games to start 2019 he put up pedestrian numbers against KC on the road. 70 QB rating, 51 percent completion, 267 passing yards 0 tds 0 ints 1 rushing td 46 yards rushing. Those numbers look like Allen's current floor for a bad game which is a good improvement over games with a QB rating in the 50's or lower.

Raiders game is in October. With the way we are calling games and the receiving core we have it feels like 275 passing yards is the floor with Josh Allen. The top 6 in passing yards in the NFL all play in the NFC. Allen has a 150 yard lead on Phillip Rivers and 175 yard lead on Cam Newton. It seems highly doubtful he won't still be the leader in passing yards at the end of September. It will come down to TD's and interceptions to a lesser extent.. If Allen throws say 0 TD's this Sunday while one of the other leaders sitting at 5 or 6 TDs throws 4 I could see Allen being leap frogged. But Allen almost assuredly would still have the edge in passing yards.

Likely on his way to AFC Offensive Player of the Month.

If only I could hit on a parlay ticket like that.

I remember your post over the summer about that. Think it was yours anyway. I thought I dismissed that fear when I brought up that Turbitzky's success in 2018 was due in part to playing with a defense that lead the league in defensive points scored and take-a-ways by an unsustainable margin. So in 2019 when those take-a-ways and defensive TD's dried up it made it harder for the Bears offense to play with a big lead and dictate their game plan. And just more pressure on the offense all around too. That was not the case for the Bills defense. They were only slightly above average in take-a-ways last year and defensive TD's. Plus, the Bears offense got worst by losing players I believe while the Bills added to their offense. For the record I was an Anyone But Allen guy during the 2018 Draft. I did not have the stomach to attach ourselves to a player that was viewed as one of the biggest projects to come out in quite some time. Not after waiting over 20 years to find a replacement for Kelly. I remember just a day or two before the draft Dan Patrick started to say he was hearing the Bills really like Allen. I thought 1. BS. and 2. God i hope not. Baker was #1 for what it is worth. Followed by Darnold, Rosen and Jackson in that order. Glad to be wrong but I was a strong believer in Allen last year.

Most of us were. But a lot of us came around last year. What took you so long?

Yeah Collinsworth was do dumb the other night. People ask why should we care about PFF? Then on Sunday night he goes on about how Wilson would have gotten his MVP vote last year simply because PFF had him ranked #1. Wilson may have been deserving of a vote. That's not the point. Point is Collinsworth just admits he'll vote whoever is ranked #1 by PFF. Come on Chris. With all the games you watch you can't form your own opinion on an MVP?

Allen must get his protein from Dolphin flavored Tuna.

It was ludicrous then too. 18- Darnold- High Variance Youngster 30- Allen - Athlete Playing QB

Looks like it's the best one till next Sunday when Allen totals 400 yards and 5 TD's.

You're G** D*** right he's an athlete playing QB.

We saw other receivers make plays like we are seeing now for years. I think for the Bills in the past it's been a combination of a QB not willing to make the throw and receivers not good enough to consistently attack the ball.

Thanks. I was going to ask if it's ever been done before.

Can't imagine Lawerence would want to land in the same division as Allen. Heck, go to the NFC. He'll only after battle with Murray and an old Russ. AFC is going to be stacked with Mahomes, Jackson and Allen.