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Said this in another thread but maybe it's better here.....We'll know soon enough if he shows up ... Either way I'm in IDGAF mode now.... If he shows, run the ***** into the ground. Too many shades of his brother here. Terrible advice putting it out publicly that he feels "disconnected from the team and the city". I mean I can understand how as a person he would feel disconnected from the team because they don't want to pay him, and the city because the overwhelming feeling out there is that he's not worth the money he thinks he is. It's human nature that if you think you're worth something and literally nobody else does, you're going to feel bum hurt by it... That said, this is what agents are for. Manage your clients expectations and let them understand what the real world is, not the fantasy world that they're living in. I would have been fine with this guy moved for a fifth or sixth during the draft for this exact reason. It's a distraction, and frankly we're going to let him walk for nothing after this year. I just hope he ends up playing for us so we get some sort of value out of the money we're going to end up having to pay him on the last year of his deal. For me the smart move would have been to move him for literally anything, let him be somebody else's headache, and draft of running back to stick in the backfield in an RBC. Ty Johnson is a fine piece as a scatt back receiver, Ray Davis show to me he can absolutely be a receiver out of the backfield and he's more of that thunder to Ty Johnson's flash... I'll be honest they were plays that I was a little disappointed in Ray Davis's ability to run over guys, but value above replacement, these two dudes 100% can be a tandem in the NFL without cook in the mix. I'm on the train that no running back is for 15 million... Not even Henry or CMC... But definitely not Cook. I m an we pay Ty Johnson what $1.2M.... Is Cook 13 times better than him? I'd he really $13.8M better? The answer is ***** NO. Sure he's better, but in smaller degrees than people want to admit, and the financial trade is laughably lopsided here. If this ***** nut wants to talk through the media to "send a message", then he's not smart enough to understand the message that's being sent back to him already. It's "bro we love you, but we don't value you like that. Let's get this done and you can go get paid next year like Gabe Davis.". The bills are known for letting dudes test the market. They do it with starters and scrubs alike... "Here's our number, go check the market and if we can make a deal happen we'd love to have you back.". ***** we did it with Ty this off-season, we let him see what the market was and he chose to come back. I understand getting paid before your career is over, especially in a sport like football, and especially at a position like running back. That said, there's an absolute tone deaf imaginary world he is living in if he thinks he can stronger the team into giving him whatever he wants. So I guess I just don't understand what the end game is. He's not going to get paid what he thinks he's worth by the bills. It's just not going to happen and they've said as much. Stirring up more problems, I mean what does he want to be released? Then he should have just asked for that before the draft and before teams chewed up all of their salary camp space. If that's his end game he should have played his cards entirely differently to get off the roster when there was a huge amount of salary cap space that he could have been a part of. Now teams are full, rosters are full, caps are full, he has no play here. It's just ignorant and pathetic.

We'll know soon enough if he shows up ... Either way I'm in IDGAF mode now.... If he shows, run the ***** into the ground. Too many shades of his brother here. Terrible advice putting it out publicly that he feels "disconnected from the team and the city". I mean I can understand how as a person he would feel disconnected from the team because they don't want to pay him, and the city because the overwhelming feeling out there is that he's not worth the money he thinks he is. It's human nature that if you think you're worth something and literally nobody else does, you're going to feel bum hurt by it... That said, this is what agents are for. Manage your clients expectations and let them understand what the real world is, not the fantasy world that they're living in. I would have been fine with this guy moved for a fifth or sixth during the draft for this exact reason. It's a distraction, and frankly we're going to let him walk for nothing after this year. I just hope he ends up playing for us so we get some sort of value out of the money we're going to end up having to pay him on the last year of his deal. For me the smart move would have been to move him for literally anything, let him be somebody else's headache, and draft of running back to stick in the backfield in an RBC. Ty Johnson is a fine piece as a scatt back receiver, Ray Davis show to me he can absolutely be a receiver out of the backfield and he's more of that thunder to Ty Johnson's flash... I'll be honest they were plays that I was a little disappointed in Ray Davis's ability to run over guys, but value above replacement, these two dudes 100% can be a tandem in the NFL without cook in the mix. I'm on the train that no running back is for 15 million... Not even Henry or CMC... But definitely not Cook. I m an we pay Ty Johnson what $1.2M.... Is Cook 13 times better than him? I'd he really $13.8M better? The answer is ***** NO. Sure he's better, but in smaller degrees than people want to admit, and the financial trade is laughably lopsided here. If this ***** nut wants to talk through the media to "send a message", then he's not smart enough to understand the message that's being sent back to him already. It's "bro we love you, but we don't value you like that. Let's get this done and you can go get paid next year like Gabe Davis.". The bills are known for letting dudes test the market. They do it with starters and scrubs alike... "Here's our number, go check the market and if we can make a deal happen we'd love to have you back.". ***** we did it with Ty this off-season, we let him see what the market was and he chose to come back. I understand getting paid before your career is over, especially in a sport like football, and especially at a position like running back. That said, there's an absolute tone deaf imaginary world he is living in if he thinks he can stronger the team into giving him whatever he wants. So I guess I just don't understand what the end game is. He's not going to get paid what he thinks he's worth by the bills. It's just not going to happen and they've said as much. Stirring up more problems, I mean what does he want to be released? Then he should have just asked for that before the draft and before teams chewed up all of their salary camp space. If that's his end game he should have played his cards entirely differently to get off the roster when there was a huge amount of salary cap space that he could have been a part of. Now teams are full, rosters are full, caps are full, he has no play here. It's just ignorant and pathetic.

No way th y give us both Thanksgiving and Christmas in the same year.

Broncos @ Chiefs Christmas Day released Hopefully this means we won't be playing Christmas Day at home like some rumors. I don't think they would put two heavy hitter AFC teams on the same day, I feel like they would want to diversify it with NFC action. I mean it could be Bills Eagles, but that's a Marquee matchup and doesn't need to be on a holiday like Christmas to be a mega draw for ratings, feels like a waste on a day like that where you already have a captive audience.

Seriously, I clicked on this thread to see what was going on and I'm reading about people bashing Neil deGrasse Tyson... I'm like WTF? Am i still on the message board or did I end up in some random reddit lol

All I have to say is Apollo TV .. l'd look into it ... I love it for way more than just sports, but for sports it's unmatched.

They need camp bodies for reps there's a reason the roster is 90 dudes.... If this guy is good enough, he could be a trade candidate at cut downs, but at the end of the day he's little more than a camp body, and that's fine. Bring in dudes on the cheap with NFL experience to battle and make the competition better. No negative there.

Lamar is such a narcissistic bozo... I thank God every time I see that dudes name come up that we have Allen and not him.

If there's a spot I'd be down, I've done dynasty auction, dynasty draft and regular draft leagues for years A few defunct over time others I fell away when we had our kids because of time, but they're older now and I'd be happy to get back into the fray of dynasty. For this to be true dynasty, do we allow trading of draft picks as well for future years? That always adds a really fun wrinkle, and while sometimes you get some issues with teams that are out dumping a little bit, there's obvious ways of mitigating that. But it also adds a fun way of adding keepers at the trade deadline who add value for your team next year while allowing some higher ticket players to go who you aren't going to keep anyway. Just a thought.

Steroids & HGH are a hell of a thing!

RB is interchangeable and a depreciating asset... Cook isn't Barkely lol, dude played less than 50% of snaps, he's not a 3 down back, what are we even talking about???? Trade cook with 56 to move up from Bond, replace him in the 4th with Raheim Sanders, and move on. Johnson+Davis+Sander is more than good enough to move forward. Spending real money on a RB is just dumb.

All for this, sounds like fun!

31-24 bills

I think people are forgetting how much time Milano has missed with two entirely different injuries requiring very different rehabs. I think his return this year was always going to be a "get back in the flow" kind of year and next year is when we'll know "washed" or not... He shows some flashes where he looks like old Milano, then he hesitates too much on a play and gets washed by a lineman or misses the tackle due to a bad angle. But not playing for over a year and rehabbing will do that. The instincts are there, the reaction time just seems a bit off. Execution also seems a bit off. Let's also not forget that his strength isn't going to be the same it would normally be coming back from a torn pectoral. There's only so much lifting he's going to be able to do to get himself back. It's funny because he took that leg injury last year, and talked about how tough it was not being able to do leg work so he focused on his upper body. Now it's been the opposite where he was able to do some cardio work while he was down, but he couldn't do anything upper body. He's still trying to get literally everything back in football condition and trust his body to do what he's thinking about. And don't think for a second that those injuries aren't in the back of his head every time he hits somebody too. That's only natural and all players say it takes a while for that to go away. He's still better than Dorian Williams, and to me it's not even close... Williams is a freak but his football IQ has been lacking IMO... Hopefully watching Matt he'll pick more up. Don't even get me started on how terribly Baylon Spector is... Dude singlehandedly gave them 60 yards on the last drive by being entirely unable to cover anyone. They just threw to his area of the field over and over. Hopefully Milano's groin isn't serious, he needs more reps before the playoffs to help him get right.

I'll be there with 7 people, where you tailgating? Pink lot?? Also does anybody know of any billsbackers bars in LA or around LA? Anyone else stuck on the tarmack in Buffalo with me? Damn snow storm, 100% missing the JFK to LAX connection...

Sorry but I'm not buying it when both of the parents accounts differ. Not to mention, we've all been to games and seen how stupid fans can be, but pushing a kid down the stairs is just a bridge too far for me. I know it sounds silly, but it does matter that it was a blow out win over a non-conference opponent... I mean fans were in super happy moods, WTF would someone lash out like this? It makes no sense even for drunks... Usually the snowballs, words, and physical altercations are tied to exchanged words, or a Bills team playing like crap and the fans taking out frustration on opposing fans. This game and their stories showed non of that ... Just open victimization, which doesn't jive with anything I've seen in my 3+ DECADES as a season ticket holders. I mean I don't doubt the kid fell, probably bumped by some drunken moron, and I don't doubt it was traumatic. It was slick as hell with the snow, slipping and falling, bumping into eachother, it's just par for the course. It's terrible when someone falls and gets hurt, but it does happen. I have a 6 and 5 year old, I'd be PISSED if it happened to them. But that said, the characterization of bills fans as people who "throw kids down stairs", is just offensive. Accidents happen, and football games are ruckus places. It's why I don't bring my daughters to more than a preseason game at their age. It's just too much and too many variables for a little kid. Odds are good they'll see something, hear something, or see someone do something that is questionable. It's simply not kid friendly, and if you bring little kids you need to know what your getting in to and work to avoid issues etc. I'm not blaming the parents, but frankly there was always a chance it'd go bad. And this poor girl suffered a traumatic event likely because someone was drunk and knocked her down. Well there are "family friendly" no alcohol areas... Though I'll reiterate football games are not family friendly IMO... I guess I just feel like if you're putting your kid in that environment, you're risking something happening. You can't cry victim when it does.

You can buy a pass to the "Pink Lot" which is the tailgate lot, you need to get it seconds hand on ticket master, but we just bought one for our crew for like $200. So if you choose this route you'll have at least 6 Bills fans there haha

I'll be there with 7 people, where you tailgating? Pink lot?? Also does anybody know of any billsbackers bars in LA or around LA?

I mean you can pretend he's not good all you want because you're jilted, doesn't make it so. EOTD, he wanted out and demanded a trade. Bills gave him the right to seek one. That means Diggs' agent talked to Houston in Houston said that they would trade for him under all of these conditions and that contract change was already worked out. You can say Houston wanted to change his deal because they weren't believers or whatever, but I don't buy it. Takes 2 to tango... They wanted him, they were willing in principle on compensation, but IMO diggs wanted the 1 year deal (with more money), and an out so he can pick his spot in 2025, likely with his brother in Dallas, who has been talking about them playing together for years. Getting this trade done got him to a new team, I got him yet another fresh start, and more importantly for him it got into the end of his contract so he can leave whenever he wants. I mean he clearly knows what the market was for him in a trade, not a lot of teams were going to give up draft picks to get him with his big contract. This solved all issues Houston giving up a 2 for a rental is risky, so they are all in for this year, but don't confuse wanting to win and thinking a guy is washed up. I think he wanted out of the big contract he was in in Buffalo, he I mean the bills getting a 2nd was looked at as under compensation initially, and once the restructure came out, it was looked at differently because of the lack of control by Houston... It looks bad on them. You don't give up a 2nd and go out and look bad in a trade for a guy you think isn't good.

A lot of great points in this thread on Diggs. Dude was amazing for us, but a combination of play calling, his relationship with Josh, and his own declining skills ushered him out. EOTD, he's talked about how he forced his way out, and that massive cap hit is evidence they'd have kept it rolling with him. The #1 driver likely was Brady preaching the unselfish nature of his offense, which is the opposite of Diggs. Brady, as was mentioned before, wants to run what works. What's more, they want to go to the open guy .... Any open guy. Not a guy who's "open even when he's covered" to quite Doug Whaley, he wants to sceme plays and actually use all the options based on the defense they play. Diggs wasn't having that. But this offense would've driven Diggs nuts for an entire additional season. I mean look at Kincaid getting double, triple, and quadruple teams in week 1, and Allen just looking elsewhere like it was nothing. That's a luxury Allen and Brady now have, no egos to scream in their faces on the sidelines because they didn't get the ball. Just a team of dudes doing their job and happy to be winning. Winning was good enough for Diggs at first, but no SB and declining usage was a bridge too far. All that said, Diggs is still a great WR. He's not what he was, but he's damn good.

My God Father is putting us up, I'll find out his exact location but he said 45 minutes from LAX... not overly helpful lol.

Ummmmmm no... Dude chose to play after 6 concussions.... He wants to be a vegetable, that's his choice. I don't care about him or his "cause"...

Hey fellas, looking for a Bills Backers Bar or something out in LA for the game in December. My Dad brothers and I are flying out and we'd love to need up with some other Bills Fans for fun. Thanks all, Let me know your recommendation!

McConkey... This generations Welker/Edelman... But we didn't need another small spot guy, so I'm fine with letting that slide.

Was just creating this same post, I'll just put it here, you beat me to the punch. Per schefter, Miami is releasing White to keep Thompson as their #2. Sign him to be #2 and move on from the Trubisky experiment. White has way more upside and development potential than Mitchell who is a known quantity... And it ain't much. Where white showed some great flashes in NY in relief. White is a former 5th round pick of the cowboys, played for NY Jests in 2021 & 2022 and has been on Miami for 1 season. With the Jests in 21 and 22, he has 7 starts, 191 completions in 307 attempts for 62.2%, 2145 yards, 8 TDs to 12 INTs 1 comeback drive 1 game winning drive. StrengthsArm talent is the first thing you notice. Former high school pitcher with 90 MPH fastball who can crank up that heat when he needs to. Has good drive accuracy. Able to push the ball into tight windows. Has velocity and accuracy to attack the middle of the field. Can alternate between heat and touch. Throws catchable deep ball and has ability to drop it over a cornerback's head down the sideline. Can be dangerous from the pocket when he's protected. Completed 57 percent of his deep throws when protection was better in 2016. Resets feet before throwing when he leaves the pocket. Asked to make full-field reads at times. Weaknesses Heavy feet take time to set up in the pocket. Struggled to deal with poor protection. Lacks feel for pressure off the edges and drops his eyes when he sees pocket push. Pocket mobility is poor. Was responsible for his share of the 46 sacks. Sluggish processor when initial reads are covered. Stayed on covered targets rather than finding better options. Relies too heavily on arm over anticipation. Looks lethargic when trying to roll and throw. Fumbled 12 times this year and 17 times over two seasons.