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Every game McD uses a defensive TO. This time it leads to them scoring

Without another penalty-yes

That was the story. Lot of good things except the penalties halted it.

https://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart Lots of public money coming in on the Broncos in the last 24 hours. The money was around 60% on Bills until recently. Are we about to get shafted by the refs because it not our time? Line is down to 3.5 in some spots now.https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

So 86% of 2BD ranks Josh Allen somewhere between 12 and 22 , with it skewing slightly towards 16-22. Many of you who voted, mentioned you thought upper part of 16-22. It looks like we had a pretty fair and honest tally as no one was truly really out there. Unfortunately we didn't get some of the most strident opponents of his performance to vote. No surprise there, much easier just to spout off about something . I appreciate those so far who have taken a position one way or the other. Especially those people who feel he is somewhere lower than the vast majority think. Thanks the opinions, Go Bills!

So where would you rank our Allen amongst the 32 NFL QBs? I haven't seen you vote in the poll.

Yeah I'd forgotten Kubiak was in at QB. Great football days!

Remember it well! 10-7 Bills. No offensive TDs. Atwater and Smith pounded the ***** out of Thurman.

Bills 17- Broncos-13. They give us a tough game, but at the end of the day our Allen is better than theirs.

LA for pro football, long term is questionable. Too many other things to do with the weather. Reminiscent of Baseball in Florida.

Agree on all counts. I did the same thing on the fake, it was executed magnificiently.

I agree that this list matches the eye test well from my perspective. I wanted to be able to give people some names to go with their evaluation of where Josh ranks. We often hear things like "he's one of the worst, bottom 1/3,average" etc.When you put names to it things change.

You're welcome.

I guess I'll bump this up for the late afternoon group. We are missing some of the very vocal folks about Josh Allen performance.

Nah, disagree. Hockey has plenty of judgement calls.

I'm really curious to see the graph and the skew. It's public so everyone can put it on the line a bit.

From my reading it does appear to take rushing and rushing TDs into account.

538 has a QB performance rating that was developed from a multiple regression analysis and the ELO system. You can read more below. To save you time; the system includes everything passing, running, sacks and strength of opponent. Recent performance is weighted more than older performance. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-nfl-predictions/quarterbacks/?ex_cid=rrpromo I created an easy to read Tiered chart of the current NFL starters. One thing clearly stands out to me, they have Josh Allen ranked in the 12-15 Tier. I find this ranking very fair. I'm curious where most 2BD posters would put him of the 32 QBs? SEE POLL ABOVE THAT MAKES EACH TIER AVAILABLE. JOSH fits with Carr, Murray etc. Is this fair? where do you think he belongs? another tier? Vote in poll above! RK QB TM ELO-QBR 1 Mahomes KC 257 2 Jackson BAL 251 3 Prescott DAL 251 4 Wilson SEA 230 5 Ryan ATL 218 6 Cousins MIN 216 7 Brees NO 214 8 Rodgers GB 210 9 Watson HOU 209 10 Brady NE 196 11 Stafford DET 193 12 Carr OAK 182 13 Murray AZ 178 14 J.Allen BUF 177 15 Foles JAX 170 15 Wentz PHI 170 17 Garappolo SF 156 18 Mayfield CLE 146 19 Brissett IND 141 20 Goff LAR 140 21 Tannehill TEN 138 22 Rivers LAC 136 23 Winston TB 131 24 D.Jones NYG 126 25 Fitzpatrick MIA 123 26 Trubisky CHI 110 27 Darnold NYJ 106 28 Haskins WAS 88 29 Rudolph PIT 81 30 Finley CIN 47 31 K.Allen CAR 37 32 B.Allen DEN 35

Wrecks used to head down to the Yucatan peninsula for a little R&R, then return Weds. for his press conference (Clown Show).

That's the point! You challenge when its blatant if you want because if it's not coaches will be leery of the penalty.

You forgot " he was a horribly inaccurate 21 for 28"

It appears either that some didn't read the whole post, or some of the post, or none of the post. And, it also appears some seem perfectly happy with the current system of multiple stoppages to the game flow and loss of a timeout. My only thing is, and I may be in the minority, but I believe challenges are for big, epic game changing, season changing calls. I'm not a fan of, as I said in the OP, the first quarter 3 yard out-did he juggle, lining up Offside by a knuckle, toenail touching the OB line in the second qtr for a 2 yard gain for a FD. I know some think the game can be decided then and there, but really was replay ever intended as a super slo mo, microscopic, second chance. I agree with using it, especially on scoring plays that really matter, and I don't want teams to get screwed. But, It seems from some of the posts that people think you couldn't challenge the above. You could still challenge them but it's your decision to risk something. I stridently believe that a timeout is not enough, coaches are making the cheap challenge all the time. I agree we need to get the central, unbiased panel type thing going. It appears as if there is some other kind of agenda at work there.

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You had to go there didn't ya!

Likely because the rules are too technical, the refs suck, or the refs have an agenda.