GunnerBill

I like the story about Josh doing 150 mock drafts a day... we have a poster here who posts at that frequency..... 👀 @RyanC883 is Allen, Allen is @RyanC883!!

Beano hasn't slept in 6 days. He called his wife mummy this morning.

That's the chap.

- I think it is fine. - He is a player of the right type at a position of need. - He was probably the baseline acceptable level of upgrade at that spot. - He is faster than his combine 40. - He doesn't have an issue with separation. - He probably has a career year with Josh. - But he isn't gonna emerge as a #1 receiver. I think the best case scenario is somewhere around 2019 John Brown. He was the Bills #1 by default but we all knew (well most of us did) he wasn't a true #1 receiver. And from memory Brown went just over 1,000. And that would open things up in the middle of the field for Shakir and the tight ends. That is best case scenario. Worst case if he stays healthy he is that 500-700 yard guy he has been in LA. And he makes the odd big play but defenses still focus on stopping the Bills inside to out and make them try and win with Palmer which doesn't hold up over a season.

I think that is right if they retain either Mack or Amari. At the moment their depth chart reads: Palmer Coleman Shakir (slot) Samuel The PS kid who had the catch and run touchdown from Mitch (name escapes me). I expect them to add one more either vet or draft pick. Probably out for round 1 though I'd say.

Yea forget the 4.52. I have no idea what happened there he is a mid 4.4s guy to the eye. He doesn't have an issue separating.

Disagree. I think he was decent in Dallas.

I think he will play fine. He will likely have career numbers playing with Josh Allen. But he isn't suddenly going to emerge as a true #1 receiver. If he was it would have happened the last two years on the Chargers when they had desperate need at the spot.

And the excuse in the Kellen Moore offense the year before?

I don't know why he only ran that at the Combine. But he has always looked like he plays quicker. I didn't have him as a super speedster but mid to late 4.4s is where I'd peg him.

Well it's something. It is a legit outside receiver with some speed. But he only had 500 odd yards on a team crying out for outside receivers in 2024. It's a baseline improvement. But it doesn't do much for the ceiling of this offense IMO.

Well you kinda need one to play..... I think the concern is less this draft. I think it is more does he take you out of next year's draft position?

The worry with Fields is whether he is just too good to stop you being in position to draft one in the top 5 next year?

Yea he is my guy. I know I will be in the minority here but I'd be willing to take him at #30 depending how the board fell.

Meh. I think he just went where they offered him the most money. I think that was all it was about. And if so, I don't blame him for that... just cut the PR bull. He wanted out of Seattle because they, rightly, as a team with a bridge QB going nowhere didn't want to commit $33m a year to a one trick pony receiver.

Yea I disagree with that. My definition of contender is a team with a chance to win the whole show. There are multiple playoff teams every year that are not contenders IMO.

I've never been a big Mack guy. Good player. A bit overrated. No interest at that price at this stage of his career.

But you wouldn't call them a "contender" would you? A playoff team? Sure. But nobody in their right mind thinks they can contend for a Superbowl in 2025, surely? They are a similar tier team as Seattle were last year IMO. Though granted that was before they traded away their QB.

Yea... that is a lot for a one year starter. Makes me feel better about the Bernard deal I suppose although I suppose the Jets are thinking if last season was Sherwood's real level that is a bargain?

I don't think he is close to as good as Josh Norman was.

Crikey. That is a ton. Missed most of his rookie year and his 3rd year and while I haven't watched a lot of Carolina this past year when I did I thought he was struggling some. That is a ridiculous deal.

Which levers they pull depends on what they want to do / can do with the money they save. If they think the market is pretty thin they will make two or three smaller moves and resist the temptation to kick the can on any existing deals. If they think there are a couple of bigger ticket items worth investing in they will do it and move money around. Yea you are essentially repeating exactly my point.

I wouldn't pay him $33m AAV, no. I said before the trade happened yesterday... $30m AAV with about a half guaranteed was my upper limit. I'm not beating any horse. And no, I don't think Metcalf is worth that money or a Tier 1 player either. I'm just stating exactly what you are stating. The Bills have the space they just don't have the guys to use that space on. I'm sure they will add some good players. That's fine. I'll no doubt like some deals they do and like others less. But I don't think lack of good players has been their issue. It has been lack of great ones.

He does. He still isn't in the class of a Garrett or a Crosby. And he is 30. I like Trey a lot. I wanted him when he was leaving the Saints. But he isn't in that true elite territory, he is just a tick below that. Similar to how I saw DK as a wide receiver. But DK is 3 years younger. Hendrikson will come wanting a long term deal because if he leaves Cincy that is why. And then you are back where you were with Von. Offering a 4 or 5 year deal when really you only expect him to play 2 or 3 on it. If the Bengals cut him and you can do that without the draft capital cost that is one thing. If you have to give up a day two pick and know at the point you re-do his deal you are bound to give yourself a dead cap headache at the end.... yea, I'm not sure how excited that makes me.

I don't think he will leave Cincinnati. I do think he is a difference maker but he is definitely a level down from the Garrett's and Crosby's of the world. Good players don't move the dial for me really. We have loads of good players. My hope was finding a way to add a high end difference maker. Maybe Hendrikson still qualifies as that, but adding a 30 year old tier 2 edge rusher doesn't get me jumping off my chair either in all truth. That's why I am in on Holland. I think he is the closest to an elite player at his position of everyone in the FA / known available trade pool.