GunnerBill

Not sure that's fair. Zeke was very good his first four years. His last three years in Dallas he was trading on his reputation more than his performance but his first 4 seasons he had almost 5,500 yards at over 4.6 a clip with 40 touchdowns. I didn't like Dallas drafting him as high as they did because he is a running back but he was legit those first 4 years. In fact Zeke is the poster boy for why you don't take a running back top 10 and why you should be wary of taking them first round at all. He was elite his first four years on his rookie deal, so Dallas paid him. Then very quickly you see the tread wear down and his production can't match up to the contract. Draft them later, use that tread for 4 years of a rookie deal, let them walk and rinse and repeat.

Ah that's true. Forgot Hall was a 2nd. Thought he was a first. They had three firsts that year but they were Sauce, Wilson and Jermaine Johnson weren't they? Hall early 2nd.

Agree with that. He isn't enough of a bruiser for a guy his size and he doesn't have the speed to be a breakaway threat. To be under 4 yards per carry after 3 years (admittedly not great lines in front of him and not facing many light boxes) is a big disappointment for a use of a 1st round pick. I wouldn't swap James Cook for him tbh.

On this they'd have loved to bring Dodson back IMO. Had Milano never got hurt, had Dodson never had the chance to play and showcase his ability I am all but certain he'd be here again on a 1 year vet minimum type deal. But once he got in and played as he did (and I think the Bills always had a ton of faith in him hence he made the team as an UDFA and they stuck with him every year thereafter) he was always going to get paid low end starter money and the Bills couldn't afford that for a guy who was essentially going to be a backup for them. I think he and Dane Jackson both fitted into that category. Guys the Bills would have loved to have back on backup salaries ($1.5-2m) but couldn't afford to have back on low end starter salaries (they both got $4.25m) given their cap situation.

I can't understand the thinking that Spector will be cut. He is close to a lock to me. He has played 60% of ST snaps his two years here and they have already lost a number of their core ST guys. Add to that he was actually serviceable when he had to play some linebacker late in the year. They have signed Morrow and drafted Ulofoshio who both in theory offer some STs ability but Spector has actually been there and done it for them and on a unit where they are already facing considerable turnover I just don't see them voluntarily giving that up. My personal view is that the 4 incumbents are on the team: Bernard, Milano, Spector, Williams. Then I think the rest are fighting over two spots. I'd be surprised if Jones makes it personally. I was his biggest fan. I had a first round grade on him coming out back in 2016 when the consensus was lower than that. But after being awesome his first five years in the league he has been pretty bad the past three years.

Don't draft first round running backs unless they are really exceptional. Najee and Travis that year were good prospects. Neither was exceptional. Wait for the Jets to be here in two years with Breece.

Was an elite player for a few years. But once the speed went he declined quickly.

I still think on the Michigan State tape there are balls he fails to make a play on because he is in the wrong position having given up leverage outside and so what looks like it is a contested catch shouldn't have been.

I see no route to Spector being cut. He is a core STer and they have lost guys in that room AND he played well when called upon at LB last year. Morrow is a bit more of a chance but I suspect he makes it.

I am not fixated on speed. My concerns on Coleman came way before the 40 time. And I said right after the Combine that I thought he could run faster than that. It is about separation for me, especially vertically, and while straight line speed is a factor in that it isn't the only one. Explosion and release package at the line both need work and his understanding of how to use leverage needs work. Can some of it be coached up - yes. But this is exactly my point. I think it needs coaching up and you are not gonna get him there by week 1 of year 1 IMO. So comparing 40 times isn't the point here for me. All of the scouting report I prepared above on Coleman was pre-Combine. He was literally the 3rd guy in the entire class that I got through way back in January. I still disagree on contest catches too. I think he needs to be a lot better there. Can he become a dominant outside receiver in time? Possibly. Is that going to be where he is most able to have success early in the NFL? Not for me. He did in 2023 I am afraid (compared to his own previous standard not compared to joe average NFL QB). His decision making regressed compared to the three previous seasons.

The way I see it QB, RB and TE are set. I think Coleman, Shakir, Samuel and Hollins are probably in at receiver. One or two spots left to shoot for. Back of the OL room is a battle. If they want to keep Grable I think he might have to go on the 53. On defense back end of the DL is a competition. I reckon the top 4 DTs - Ed, Daquan, Johnson and Carter are set. I think at edge Groot, AJE, Von are set and Solomon is probably in to protect their investment (unless he looks way out of his depth then watch for the old Brandon Beane redhsirt IR special). That leaves 1 or 2 spots there for the rest. Linebackers I agree they will keep 6 and they are pretty set. I think Hardy is a lock at corner though. He was drafted to be a backup corner and their primary returner. He is in. Lewis will make it but as the 4th safety behind Bishop, Rapp and Edwards. Hamlin will be cut.

Sadly I agree with a lot of this. My scouting report on Coleman was basically (this is almost word for word my original notes on him). 1. Elite size and fast enough without top end speed - seems to move faster with the ball than when running routes. 2. Does not separate, espeically vertically. Lacks explosion in his get off which often results in him giving up leverage early in the down when outside. 3. Hands are okay but doesn't win enough contested catches for a guy with his size (my point there basically not a lot of "drops" in the true sense of the word but a lot of balls he could make a play on and reel in that he doesn't manage to) 4. Better uses his leverage and size when deployed from the slot and gets a free release. That allows him to dictate to the DB better. 5. YAC monster, surprisingly fluid when ball carrying for a guy his size and tough to bring down in the open field. 6. Excellent and willing run blocker. 7. Very young probably not yet fully developed physically. NFL coaching and conditioning could help his explosion which might give him a better chance in time outside. Ideal usage: big slot receiver, some outside use in redzone and goalline. Developmental prospect as an outside receiver between the 20s. Late 2nd round grade. (He ended up #50 overall on my board FWIW) _ _ _ _ _ If the Bills had a true #1 (still had the Diggs of two years ago for example) and were bringing Coleman in as a potential upgrade to Gabe I'd completely have got it. He has some similar traits and good reason to think his ceiling is higher. But if they bring this kid in stick him outside and expect him to be your #1 outside receiver early I fear you are setting him and your team up to be disappointed.

I think is a factor he isn't the factor. This kind of offense where you don't have a single guy who you can rely on to always be open puts an extra premium on decision making. We have to get better than 2023 Josh to give that a shot of working. If it doesn't it won't really be Josh's fault. It will be Beane's fault for giving him the talent he has given him either because the guys couldn't get open or because if Josh again struggles at times with a decision maker it will prove why giving him those elite talented weapons to make those decisions easier matters.

It might take us a while. It is depending on us hitting the ground running. I'm not convinced Brady is the answer. I do think he will be better than Dorsey who I was not a fan of for this team and I do think he was one of the better available options. But ultimately the proof will be in the pudding.

I don't think there is going to be one guy on this offense that defenses key in on every week like they did on Stef. Certainly not early in the year anyway. In a sense that might give us a little bit of an advantage early on in the season if Josh genuinely can spread the ball around. I expect at some point teams will revert to a "don't let Samuel win deep and force Kincaid to break off his routes short rather than threaten the seam." But it will take some time for defenses to workout how this offense is going to run and if we can hit the ground ready to roll in week 1 that might even be in our favour.

While the tape definitely showed Diggs struggled to get open deep down the stretch in the short and intermediate areas he was still our most open receiver and by a fair amount. I didn't see a ton of evidence of Josh forcing it him.

I just don't trust Aaron Rodgers' motivation. I do think the Jets are the threat to the Bills in the division but I think Aaron is already retired in his head. If the Jets get off to a hot start they are a threat. But when adversity hits I think he will check out very quickly. I have the Bills winning 10 or 11. That could be enough for the division. It will likely be enough for the playoffs. I think the Jets could be a playoff team. I don't think Miami will be because I think their defense is gonna suck and while they will put up points against bad teams they will stall against good teams as per usual.

It was while he was explaining why he trains without gloves on for me. And once I saw them I couldn't unsee them. It was like "why has this grown man borrowed his arms off a 14 year old boy?"

I just watched it. Look Shakir is a good dude and I appreciate how hard he is working to be better..... but all through his workout I was just thinking "man how short are that dude's arms?" He must have someone tie his laces for him.

He won't get through a year on the PS. I am pretty sure on that. If they want to keep him they need to find a way to get him on the roster. Even if he makes it the the PS at cutdowns he wont last there for the year.

I think it means a 10 or 11 win season and a year where they go with more young guys over vets on those close roster decisions (whether that is about the 53 or about who starts on gameday).

I don't think MIN would have taken Penix from the intel I heard but they were sufficiently comfortable with Penix to not be willing to pay a steep price for McCarthy. In the end of course they did trade up for McCarthy. The Jets did the old one pick double bluff.

Oh good we need more Ohio State fans around here...... 🤣

We'd only have one 5th and two 6s but no 7th. Our original 5 belongs to the Eagles, via Houston as part of the Diggs trade. Our 7th was swapped for NYG's 6th in the Boogie trade. So if the comp formula does work out for us then I make it: one 1st two 2nds one 3rd three 4ths one 5th two 6ths 10 picks total.

Grable is still a work in progress but he is pretty experienced. He has 43 college starts at left tackle. Okay they were at Jacksonville State and UCF but I think he could be in the mix for a starting role in 2025 if they can keep him and develop him. My bigger question is how he translates to the right side.