Kirby Jackson

Weird flex but okay. It doesn’t change the fact that he has a winning record as a starter with 2.5 years of starts.

Tyrod is 23-21 as a starter. Efficiency wins, he just needed to make more plays. Lamar is efficient and makes plays. He’s 12-3. It really is a bad day to be doubting Lamar. They are talking about him as an MVP candidate and some people are still doubting his competency as a QB.

I keep asking, “why isn’t it sustainable?” Please don’t say anything about RG3 and his brutal injury. They are different players and in different schemes (at least where RG3 was). This offense was bad a year ago when he took over. Now they are good. They are averaging more PPG 31.4 than anyone in the league. They are averaging the 2nd most yards a game and rarely turn it over (Lamar has 5 turnovers on the season). I value efficiency. They epitomize efficiency. Lamar is the undisputed leader of one of, if not the, best offenses in football. He’s certainly not a “wide receiver playing QB” as Bill Polian once claimed. https://www.ftw.usatoday.com/2019/11/nfl-lamar-jackson-pocket-stats-patriots/amp

Why are we comparing him to RG3? Do we have to lump every mobile black QB into the same bunch? What does Lamar’s play have to do with RG3? Why are we to assume that they will be the same? Why not use Russell Wilson? Doesn’t fit the narrative? Or better yet why don’t we look at LAMAR and judge him on his own merits? It’s the definition of the triple option but not the Navy offense that you compared it to earlier. Lamar is averaging 30 passing attempts a game. The Navy offense averages 8 pass attempts a game. You were trying to compare the 2 but that’s not the case. Watch the games.

He’s throwing for 226 yards a game. That’s not triple option. Honestly, why are people doubling down on their bad pre-draft opinions? As of today he’s ABSOLUTELY the furthest along of the 1st round QBs from last year. He’s an MVP candidate at this point (not that I think he will win). He’s 12-3 as a starter.

Don’t forget who Singletary’s biggest fan on here was leading up to the draft

Your point? It’s a winning brand of football. He’s thrown for over 1,800 yards (more than Jimmy G, Allen, Brissett, etc). He’s run for another 637 which has him as a top 10 rusher in the whole league!! He’s scored 17 TDs and has 5 turnovers. He’s 5th in the NFL in QBR and just shredded a great NE defense. What is it specifically that you don’t like (other than the fact that you were wrong about him coming out)?

No one is questioning if he has “NFL talent.” I can’t speak for everyone but I’m questioning why he has a “NFL job.” Those 2 things are not interchangeable. Colin Kaepernick has NFL talent but no NFL job. Is a QB3/PS QB with numerous off the field incidents a better option than someone like Davis Webb? He’s a guy that people thought relatively highly of coming out as well. If Davis Webb had the EXACT same Off the field issues as Chad Kelly would he still be in the league? I doubt it. That’s where the Kelly connection comes in.

Remember when some people thought Lamar Jackson couldn’t play QB? That was pretty stupid at the time and WAY stupider now.

Just as long as Mercury Morris can’t pop the champagne

I’ve spent a a fair amount of time at The Lodge in Dallas on business trips. I can assure you Dave and Busters is much better for your financial future.

That’s certainly true and the one time it makes sense. It often is vet players later in their careers chasing a ring. You see it a lot in the NBA. The Patriots have had it to a certain extent as well. More often than not, those guys have made their money.

There should be no such thing as a “team friendly deal” and people that want that should go away. Imagine if you worked at Tops and Wegmans offered you double. Would anyone argue that you should stay at Tops?!? Everyone would think you are a moron. You aren’t doing what’s best for you or your family. The same thing in sports but it is even more extreme in some ways. The average career is 3 years long. Obviously, if we are talking about your 2nd contract you likely exceeded that but still. Get the market value!!! That holds true for all of us in every job.

That’s probably true. I think that the Bills are going to play to avoid turnovers. They think of the game is played without short fields they win.

We are all entitled to our opinions. I could say Peterman is a good QB but what’s measurable would say opposite. There isn’t a lot to support Bledsoe being better than those guys as Bills. Maybe you could argue that he won more than Fitz but did so with superior talent. Other than that he was less efficient, made less plays, made more mistakes and was sacked at an alarming rate. Bledsoe had elite arm talent but his completion percentage is less than Fitz who we consider inaccurate. Fitz and Tyrod both averaged more yards per attempt as well so we can’t hide behind him throwing it more down the field. There just really isn’t much, outside of 8 games, that supports him being even okay. That’s like Trent Edwards. I’m always baffled when people think so highly of Bledsoe as a Bills QB. We look back at former Bills all of the time through a negative lens. “___ sucked, I can’t believe he started here.” People remember Bledsoe as a good QB. It’s odd because he wasn’t. If you stack up his Bills career against even decent starters (like Fitz and Tyrod) it isn’t even close. He honestly compares closest to EJ. EJ vs Bledsoe (After 8 games): 58.3% vs. 57.9% 6.4 YPA vs. 6.6 YPA 77.1 rating vs 77.1 rating 1.3333 TDs per start vs. 1.075 TDs per start 1.3125 turnovers a game vs. 1.425 turnovers a game That really is not good.

He’s certainly played well at times. He does have a pretty long resume of mediocrity though. Flacco has been brilliant at times too. I’d sign up to play against a “Flacco-led” team 16 times a year.

I know that I’m in the minority and an admitted OSU homer but I’d prefer Keenum. I preferred Eli to Daniel Jones for the same reason. Give me the less talented guy with a resume of mediocrity (or in Eli’s case washed up). I don’t think it will matter this week but I’m positive Keenum wouldn’t beat us.

Look above after those 8 games. Fitz, Tyrod, and Flutie were all better than Bledsoe. After 8 games was 18-22 and had 43 TDs and 57 turnovers!! For some perspective Tyrod was 23 -20 as a starter. He had 65 TDs and 21 turnovers. Tyrod won more, made more plays, and made less mistakes. He was hot for 8 games like Trent Edwards was. For some reason Bills fans give him WAY more credit than he deserved. Bledsoe was a bad football player by the time he got to the Bills.

Yep I actually think that Marino and Rivers is an interesting debate.

Ha ha The Bills used to have a trade account with Kelseys and Montana’s in OP. A lot of people were authorized to just sign for their food and drinks. Bledsoe went to the Montana’s on NF Blvd. with his family and ran up like a $300 tab (tough to do there). He was like “just put it on the Bills tab.” There was no tab there. He threw a FIT. Ha ha

Really?!? Bledsoe career 57.2 % completion 230 yards per game 251 TDs 206 INTs 77.1 passer rating QB B 60.1% completion 206 yards per game 195 TDs 155 INTs 80.7 passer rating QB C 64.6% completion 259 yards per game 386 TDs 185 INTs 95.5 passer rating Which of those 2 players is Bledsoe closer to??

I don’t think that there is a player in Bills history that is, undeservedly, remembered more fondly than Bledsoe. Everyone remembers those 1st 8 games like that was most of his time in a Bills uniform. After those first 8 games Bledsoe’s record was 18-22. He completed 702-1,213 for a 57.9% completion percentage. He threw 39 TDs and 38 INTs. Bledsoe was sacked 110 times in 40 games!!! He also lost 19 fumbles in those same 40 games!! He had 4 rushing TDs in that window. So to recap he had 43 total TDs and 57 turnovers!!!! That is an atrocious 2.5 years!!! He was NOT even an acceptable player after the first 8 games yet some people remember him as a star. Not trying to go down this road but Tyrod and Fitz were light years ahead of Bledsoe as a Bills QBs. After the first 8 games Bledsoe was no better than any of the other post-Kelly scrubs.

It’s funny @H2o I was thinking the same thing yesterday about the comp picks role in all of this. It basically sets a floor for what a team will accept. The Bengals are probably going to lose AJ Green in FA this offseason. They have no wins. It would have made a ton of sense to deal him yesterday. That would have happened in any other sport. With the comp pick formula in the NFL though the Bengals are probably going to get a 3rd in 2021 if he walks this offseason. That means that they had to get AT LEAST a 3rd this year to consider it. The teams acquiring him are thinking, “I’m not giving up a 3rd or more for 8 weeks of him.” It makes a lot of sense to me to see the top guys, in their prime, moving (Mack, Ramsey, OBJ, almost Adams) because the compensation is there. The role players or guys with expiring contracts/injuries are much tougher to move.

It’s honestly been something that I’ve been wondering for a while. When I worked for the Hornets we had an invocation before every game. It was always a little uncomfortable but we did it. Then we didn’t. I don’t think one person complained when it went away. They did it for years and then they didn’t. No one cared

Why do we play the anthem before games?