Kirby Jackson

He’s not trading up for an edge in this draft (unless by some miracle Chase Young slides). There is no value there.

Personally, I have Ruggs as my number 2. He’s just so explosive but I’d be good with any of them. I would like to see them add someone to go with Barkley. Barkley and Josh have a great relationship and he’s relatively inexpensive. With that being said, if the Bills believe they are a contender, this is when you invest in backup QB. If Josh is to miss a month you have to be able to play .500 without him. I would look at someone like Keenum at the right price (or Brissett if he becomes available). The Saints were paying Teddy quite a bit to be the #2 last year because their window was open. Brees goes down and Teddy goes 5-0. That kept them from a wasted year. I don’t think that’s the case at all. As an example, Tampa at 14 is probably the earliest that you’d go to. You can get there for 22 and 54 according to the draft value chart. You’d basically be paying the premium of a 4th round pick.

Yeah, he’s connected. He has a podcast

Tough call but voted no because it doesn’t really have to do with crowds. Additionally, it gives the NFL the sporting landscape to itself.

I thought that it meant trading for a WR as well. It could be up for one of the top guys or trading for an established guy. I think that the Bills make 1 or 2 major moves. I’d consider either of those major moves.

Kind of but teams don’t do it that way and neither do agents. They try to use comps like buying a home. While technically, there is an average price to buy a home that’s not really a factor. The price is based on size, location, etc... The sellers want the biggest number possible (the players) and the buyers want the best value in terms of a number (the teams). The agents will argue for contracts more similar to players on the high range of the comparison. The teams are trying to use lower priced players with similar numbers as their comp. They negotiate until they come to a number that everyone agrees to.

There’s really no such thing as an average salary. It’s totally dependent on when you sign it. What looks like a lot now will look like value in 2022. The cap and salaries rise every year. Think that most on here expect Shaq to be somewhere between $8M-$12M a year.

Oh man that would be a great deal

I’m curious to see the structure of it. I’m guessing $10m-$12m guaranteed.

Yes he can

What a steal for the Bills

(Coach McDermott has entered the chat)

Remember this tweet, CLEARLY the Bills have an interest. You aren’t bringing your OL coach unless there was someone you wanted him to see up close.

I’m not opposed (at all) to going up or back. I’d only go up though for one of the top 3 receivers I think. Otherwise it will have to be someone on a crazy slide, Okudah at 14 or something like that. If you can get one of the elite talents at a need position without sacrificing too much. I’m good going back a few slots too in order to pick up a 3rd or even move up there. The Bills could do something like move from 22 to 26 and then up from 86 to 70. In this scenario they’d pick 26, 54 and 70. You could do something like Higgins/Jefferson, Swift/Taylor/Dobbins and Greenard/Anae.

Yeah, I don’t see a lot of those late picks being used. They just don’t have the roster spots. He’s coming up a few times.

Oh I don’t think there’s a huge difference between the 2. The biggest thing to me is that Shaq is probably 4 more years and is healthier (generally). I think that gives the Bills a higher floor. My fear is that if they go Addison, Hughes, Murphy, and don’t draft a guy until the mid rounds. What do they do in 2021? The position needs SOME stability imo. Now maybe they draft a guy like Anae or even Epenesa that will give them that. Maybe they sign a younger guy or a star and my concern is invalid.

You’d have to think that. John Simpson absolutely should be on everyone’s radar with Bobby Johnson there.

I’m guessing Addison and a guy in the draft. That is fine as a short term solution. Addison and Hughes though is a year to year thing. They’re going to have to find some guys that are younger and dependable. That’s why I’d sign Shaq and release Murphy. I think he’s a high floor guy at this point. He going to get you around 8 sacks and be effective against the run. He’s rarely hurt and is still ascending. My real hope is that they sign Clowney and draft a guy in the mid rounds. I just don’t think that’s going to happen.

I’m not anti-Murphy (I was). I thought he finished the season well. I just think Shaq’s a more complete player. He’s a better player. If I had to choose I’d pay Shaq and eat the Murphy money.

Would you rather pay Shaq $12M or Murphy $10M? I honestly think this is the type of decision that they are weighing. They can release Murphy and save just over $8M. I think I’d rather release Murphy and keep Shaq. He’s the better player at this point. You’d still need to add another guy (maybe go for one of the older guys on a shorter deal).

Yeah, I’ll take it. That’s the same thing that I said in my first post on the topic. I’m happy with the job that each of them is doing with their respective roles. Each of them has separate and distinct responsibilities without a ton of overlap. Maybe I’m not giving people enough credit but there isn’t NEARLY the overlap that some people think. The real overlap is coaches w/coaches and GM w/ personnel department. Joe Schoen has a WAY, WAY, WAY bigger role in assembling the roster than McDermott (as an example). That’s my issue with lumping them together but I get it. As a football operations department (not just Beane and McDermott) it’s a strong group. They have a lot of talent in those respective groups and have done a really nice job since coming here.

Not being argumentative, I’m just applying common sense. They have different jobs!! Of course they collaborate but that doesn’t mean that they are equal at their job. McDermott may like a certain player or type of player but he doesn’t decide that. Beane adds the guy(s) that he and his staff think are best. Beane may like a certain play or style of play but McDermott makes that call. When we look at Pegula’s other team we never refer to the “Brueger Administartion.” We judge the job that Botterill is doing and the job that Krueger is doing. Pretty much everyone gives Botterill a poor grade but not everyone would give Krueger the same score. Most would agree it’s tough to lump them together because the perception is Krueger is better at his job (coaching the team) than Botterill is at his (assembling the team). Maybe people don’t realize how different their jobs are but they aren’t even in the same department. Beane’s day is spent with the football ops staff like Schoen, Gaine, Morgan and the scouts. McDermott’s day is spent with Daboll, Fraizer, players and coaches. The truth is there are probably 20 people that have more of a say in personnel than McDermott. There are probably 20 people that have more of a say in the style of play than Beane. My point is, and always will be, that they need to be judged on what they’ve done. They have equally important jobs and are both doing well. That doesn’t mean that Beane and McDermott are the exact same.

They don’t though. As someone that spent 8 years in pro sports they do different things. We shouldn’t be lumping them together.

I didn’t vote. I have different scores for each of them. It’s the same way that I have a different score for John Brown and Ed Oliver. They have totally different jobs. My perception of them isn’t intertwined.