Kirby Jackson

Yep

This team needs top end playmakers. Odell Beckham is ABSOLUTELY that and exactly what the Bills need. You have to take some chances to get over the top. The Bills had a deal in place for Antonio Brown last year and he’s an infinitely worse person. You don’t get a chance at guys like this often. Beckham makes the Bills a contender. We need to stop fearing talent and push the chips in. Windows don’t stay open long in this league. You need to role the dice sometimes and hope you’re right. The Chiefs have Tyreke Hill (WAY, WAY, WAY worse person). They also traded for Frank Clark (also a terrible person) and traded away Dee Ford. They made some ultra-aggressive decisions and won the Super Bowl.

Yes please!! Add OBJ and the Bills are a legitimate Super Bowl threat. No questions asked, you make this move.

I just went back to read the details of the Jones fight again. It’s pretty insane. The one judge said he scored the fight for the Korean fighter because he knew no one else would and he didn’t want to embarrass the host country!! Like, what?!? Pretty good read: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/feb/15/olympic-moments-roy-jones-jr

How about Roy Jones in the Olympics?

I could see it. If this happens this draft gets drunk pretty early. Young goes to the Lions at 3. Someone trades up in front of Miami (or Miami trades to 4) to get Herbert.

The Seahawks promised him that they wouldn’t. I guess that they still could but that would be a bad look for them.

Um, yes they do!! With that being said I don’t think it’s a good decision at this point. The money and draft compensation isn’t worth it IMO. I’d rather throw money at Clowney. He’s a better player and fit.

Thought pops in head, log in to TBD, start thread on said thought, wash, rinse, repeat

Just thinking that they kind of pushed their chips in last year and failed. It looks like the 49ers are going to be around. Just thinking that maybe they’d try to do something to look a little different next year.

Any thoughts that maybe the Rams will deal one of their guys?

I’m in the same boat as you Bill. The Bills NEED some guys that win because they’re better. They need some guys that keep D coordinators up at night. There are a few in this draft and some that will come out of nowhere and be great. If the Bills add “the” guy instead of “a” guy they have a chance to win it all.

I guess it probably sounds like I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. I’m not, at all, opposed to trading up. I just would do so with this year’s picks and players. I’d use 2021 picks after the 1st. To me, that’s just a gamble that I’d never take.

The worst case scenario is that Allen gets hurt and our tough schedule proves too much. We bottom out and have a top 5 pick that we’ve traded away. If the cost is a 2021 1st I’m out. I’d rather have Jefferson + my 2021 pick than only Jeudy/Ruggs/Lamb. I HATE the idea of a future 1st for a prospect. EDIT: Just to clarify if you could add protections like in the NBA I’d be fine with it. A top 15 protected 1st or whatever. There is just too much uncertainty and parody in the NFL for me to trade an asset that I have no idea what it is.

My buddy is a scout there and told me Trufant will be gone. It may be more but I’m confident that’s happening.

Exactly!! You can throw the Jags in there as well. The reality though is even in those disaster type scenarios you can make 1 to 2 semi-difficult decisions and be back okay. Trufant goes and you are back above water (at least somewhat).

I never like the idea of trading an unknown for an unknown (QB excluded). If I knew that the Bills 2021 pick would be 25, cool. Things happen though. If I’m trading next year’s 1st is only do it for a proven star. I’d do it for OBJ for example. I’m not trading 22 and a 2021 1st that could be anywhere for a prospect regardless of how much I like him. I loved Sammy coming out. I had no issue with the move for him at the time. It turns out I was wrong. The idea of trading pick number 22 & ? for a ? doesn’t work for me.

And be FINE in cap shape moving forward. There really is no such thing as “cap problems” unless you’re totally incompetent.

If Ruggs fell to 22 you SPRINT to the podium

FWIW, no visiting players like playing in Buffalo. The stadium is old, visiting locker room bad, cold outside, hostile fans and comparatively poor hotels. That’s what they experience when they come to play the Bills.

It isn’t though. This is more true than ever with 2 extra playoff games and a 17 game schedule. It’s the EXACT opposite in fact. The players salaries are a percentage of league wide revenue. The new CBA gives them a higher percentage than they currently get (cap grows) and the extra games create even more revenue (cap grows again). You can’t look at a number that might feel high you have to look at it in relation to the cap.

Then I guess we disagree on that. This year I’d love one of those 3. I’m not moving up to a spot that will require next year’s first to do it.

We have no issues there either though. The rising cap works for everyone. What’s an “overpayment” today may be a bargain in 2 years. The cap grows like $10M a year. $15M for a good (not great) starting CB won’t be bad value at all with a $230M cap in 3 years. That’s the point. That’s what the smart teams have realized. That’s why there’s no such thing as “cap problems.” You just keep pushing the money later knowing that the cap will grow. EXACTLY!!

If the cap keeps rising every year that’s not an issue. In 2 years that may even be considered good value.