Kirby Jackson

How so? He’s certainly behind St. Brown, Ladd, Godwin, JSN, probably Jayden Reed. That’s just guys off the top of my head. If you count guys that split time like Ceedee Lamb, Zay Flowers, Chase, Garrett Wilson, he falls more.

The Bills already signed him…

Didn’t know that they differentiated the tackles on the list. The tackles are excellent.

Help me understand this because this kind of thing confuses me. Are you saying that, “if they had a guy, that we all agree is better, he would be less impactful than Shakir?” If the Bills traded Shakir, straight up for Metcalf, they’d be worse off? Wouldn’t that mean that Shakir belongs ahead of him then? We aren’t factoring in “situation.” It is meant to be, “where would he be drafted if every WR in football were available to be picked?”

I think Sanders ends up being an important player for this team. He is a guy that scouts and “football people” liked more than talking heads. This contract should help get him into camp. Guarantee him 90% and let’s go.

Pretty interesting take factoring in their initial perceptions. Good take. 👍

I think it’s the redraft version. Otherwise I think you start factoring in role on team, quality of playcaller, quality of QB, etc… It’s really meant to be, “if teams could pick any guy, without having to worry about the contract because they’re all the same, when would he be selected?” The point is to try to remove “situation” from the equation.

This is a topic that has been kicked around in countless threads this summer. The opinions seem to vary greatly. Figured we should have one place to discuss. It might be some interesting debate over these last few days before camp really kicks in. In terms of ranking, THIS IS NOT ABOUT FANTASY FOOTBALL. This is meant to be, “if the league drafted every WR tomorrow, at the same salary, what number would he be picked with?” I haven’t made my list yet but intuitively I feel like he’s probably somewhere between 25-30. Curious as to what others think…

Benford belongs on there. At worst, he should be honorable mention. That’s crazy. The Bills had the number 2 qb, #8 OT and #8 RB. The 70 execs didn’t rank another Bills player in the top 10 at their position.

You might be right. Lol, I was trying to be conservative but love your Giants call. That’s an 11+ win team. They’d have an elite QB and elite pass rush. That’s a winning formula.

I don’t want to speak for him but the Bills had like the 2nd fewest turnovers in history last year through the 16 games of the starters (or something like that). They also had the 2nd least sack yardage ever. That’s just not likely to be sustained. They will still probably be good in the sack department and could still minimize turnovers. It’s just not likely to be “as good as any team ever.” It’s EXTREMELY likely to expect some regression.

I think this is an interesting way to look at Josh’s greatness. If you were to go team-by-team and plug Josh Allen into their current roster, what would their record be? It’s a little tricky because Josh is highly compensated and a lot of teams couldn’t realistically have him AND their current roster. You get the point though. The Bills roster is pretty average. They have a great OL but otherwise most of the roster is mid. Josh could have 25+ teams as Super Bowl contenders IMO.

There’s this misconception that because the offense scored a lot of points, they were good everywhere. It’s beating a dead horse at this point but the receivers were not good. They blocked well and ran after the catch well. They were rarely open especially as they got further down the field. I think Samuel will bounce back. Moore and Palmer seem to be solid additions (I think Moore emerges as one of the people that Josh trusts most). This group is better than last year but that’s not a high bar despite the points that they scored. We shouldn’t expect a historic level of negative plays again. That will regress some. Hopefully the upgrades at WR will offset any regression. They’re still a bottom 5-8 group but have strong depth. If you ever injected a number 1 WR, the group would be good. They added a couple of guys that can get open which they did not have last year (hence all the screens). The offense should have more ways to beat you this year.

I like Shakir too. I don’t think that he’s better than Wilson because he isn’t. Garrett Wilson can be a great football player while the Jets are a bad football team. Both things can be true. ESPN polled 70 executives/coaches/scouts and asked them to rank the best player by position across the NFL. They voted, 24 year-old Garrett Wilson, as the 10th best WR in the NFL!! He’s the 2nd youngest WR in the top 10. He isn’t a “pretty good NFL WR.” He’s an elite young talent on a bad team. Wilson is a great young player. FWIW, 26 WRs received votes from these NFL employees. None of the 26 were Bills receivers.

The Benford deal may be the best contract of this regime. What a steal

Do you think Khalil Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson? This is a rhetorical question (and I like Shakir). We don’t need to downplay our opponents and overplay our own guys. That doesn’t strengthen the point. It makes us look like homers and discredits other reasonable opinions. There isn’t a coach/scout/executive in the world that believes Shakir is a better WR than Garrett Wilson, because he isn’t. Garrett Wilson has PLAYED IN EVERY SINGLE NFL GAME!! Why should we assume that he will get hurt? That’s craziness. We get so hung up on these visions of what happened in the 1980’s. It’s 2025. Small receivers flourish!! Tyreek Hill, DeVonta Smith, Garrett Wilson, etc.. are all dominant players.

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So we are saying “if he gets hurt he won’t be good?” 🔥🔥🔥 take

Not bad company considering the QBs that he has started his career out with: You’re underrating Wilson. He’s a great player that has trash around him on offense.

What franchise QB is just hitting the market that you can throw money at? Darnold? That’s not how it works anymore. They don’t go to FA. You likely have to draft one. You can occasionally get lucky with a reclamation project that is cheap (see Baker Mayfield). If you draft one, the first thing you have to do is find them an elite WR. If you aren’t paying a franchise QB you have loads of cap space. You can win in the QBs rookie deal with the right high need talent around him (like the 49ers with Purdy) or the Chiefs with Mahomes. Imagine having an elite WR already? It is a no brainer and the perfect time to pay a WR.

What did the Vikings do when they signed Jefferson? When you don’t have a franchise QB or have a QB on a rookie deal is the PERFECT time to pay a number 1 WR.

When you have stars, especially at premium positions, you have to pay them. The quality of the rest of the team can’t stand in your way of that. You pay Myles Garrett, Maxx Crosby, Garrett Wilson, Justin Jefferson, Chase and Higgins, etc… There aren’t enough great players in football to not do that. Wilson is one of the top 5 or so most talented WRs in the NFL. The Titans decided to move on from AJ Brown and Henry in a similar spot. The Giants didn’t value Saquon. You need star players to win. The Eagles have them. The Chiefs have them. The Ravens have them. The Lions have them. The Bills have 1 (plus the OL).

I figured that this thread would be littered with Keon Coleman for most improved. Personally, I feel that’s some wishful thinking. The player he was last year looked so much like the player he was in college. I just don’t think he’s very good. IMO, he’s just a guy. Hopefully he takes a step forward but that video last week of him running routes was 😬. For me, most improved needs to be Cole Bishop. I don’t think he was very good last year but he has tools. He needs to take a step. The Bills bet on that. If he becomes that player, he and Rapp are a pretty good duo. I’d say that the most likely to improve is Ed Oliver. I think he has a Pro Bowl year this year. I love he and Sanders rushing on passing downs together. My sleeper is Javon Solomon. He is a better football player than he is a physical freak. I think he’s a 6+ sack guy. I’d lump Elijah Moore in here. The Bills will maximize his ability to run routes and he will prove to be a very valuable part of that offense. Most likely to regress for me is Connor McGovern. I think he’s really good. He was one of the best centers in football while playing there for the first time in years. I still think he will be good but maybe closer to 10 than top 5. The OL in general was outstanding last year. It feels like that has to regress a little. I hope I’m wrong. Milano and Taron feel too obvious to me. Both are veterans with a decent amount of mileage. A few years ago we all knew Hyde and Poyer would start to regress even if it was only a little. Those 2 guys fit that.

Nice job with this roster.