Kirby Jackson

He’s the one that I hesitated on but I think that the Bills value his mobility too much to let him go.

Who specifically are you concerned will be gone? IMO, the Bills are about to follow the Cowboy’s model in retaining all of their top players on their second contracts. I expect the Bills to have Diggs, Edmunds, Tre, Dawkins, Oliver, Milano and (hopefully) Josh for years. They don’t have any cap issues now or in the next 5 years.

Tre White

Wait, the same guy?!? ?

Isn’ t he Jack Nicklaus’ grandson?

I’m thinking that we should start a go fund me, purchase it and burn it as a symbolic passing of the torch. An unofficial funeral for the Patriots reign

I expect Josh to become the guy too. With that being said, I guess the point that I was trying to make is that we should be prepared for a large QB contract either way. I don’t think that it will be a scrub(ish) vet or a young guy. We aren’t going to waste this window HOPING to find a QB. We are either going with Josh or Stafford (or Cousins even).

Not to totally derail the conversation but if the Bills decide “Allen isn’t the guy” I fully expect them to trade for Matt Stafford. I see, little to no chance, that this particular group plays with a young QB. The roster is too good.

He wasn’t here for Woods. If they wanted to keep Woods (or anyone) they could have easily. They made a decision not to. They weren’t forced to. That’s the difference between cap problems and telling people that you have a cap problem. The Bills didn’t make one decision because they were forced to - not one. You don’t have a cap problem unless you are forced to make those decisions BECAUSE of the cap. The Bills made the decision to turn over the roster because they didn’t think that the players under contract were good enough to get the job done. The dead money was self-created because they wanted different players than the one’s under contract. Again, that was a choice. This is the plan that they entered the building with and it looks like the right one. The “cap jail” or “cap problems” though was nonsense. That’s not really a thing in the NFL unless you are incompetent. You can ALWAYS kick the can down the road. The Falcons have proven to be incompetent. The Bills were fine when it came to the cap. It’s just easier to sell people on patience when you say “we have a mess and it’s someone else’s fault. Give us time to fix this.” Beane is nobody’s fool. It’s hard to go from the middle to the top. That’s why they tore it down.

This was more of a narrative than reality. The Bills didn’t have a cap issue. They had a roster that they wanted to turn over. In order to get different players in they were going to have to create dead money. They could have built around the current roster at the time. The decision that they made was that they wanted to hit the reset. It’s not because the cap forced them to do it (like the Falcons). That was what they wanted to do to build the roster. Beane just used the “cap jail“ argument to sway people to be patient. He didn’t want to alienate people when their favorite player was somewhere else. He told them “I don’t want to do this, I have to.” The reality is he didn’t have to. He knows that most people don’t really understand that. Just because he said that it didn’t make it true. He used it as a way to sell the public on his plan. It certainly looks like the right decision.

I don’t necessarily agree with you but I applaud you for elaborating and defending your position. This place functions so much better when people explain “why” they feel a certain way.

He’s -350 now. If I can get Lance at +1000 I’m going in big. As the scouts in the media that I respect most have started digging into his tape they LOVE him. Miller, Jeremiah, etc... I want in before the secret is out. Yep

Agreed, 20:1 felt like a steal. I’m also trying to find a line on Trey Lance to be the 1st overall pick next year. I already got Ja’Mar Chase at 50:1. Lance isn’t even listed currently on Bovada. I want to get my bet in before the hype train goes insane.

Ha ha, I’ve spent the last few weeks betting Korean Baseball and Bundesliga.

I’m locked in at McDermott +2000 to win COY and Bills +130 to win the AFC East. I also have a small bet on the Bills to win the Super Bowl at +4000 because I have to.

I guess that my philosophy is a little different when it comes to the draft and the cap. Good teams are comprised of stars. You have to pay stars. It is the middle and back of your roster that gets replaced with draft picks not your expensive stars. You let guys like Long go and draft a guy in the 4th or 5th to play that role. You let a guy like a mid-30’s Hughes go and slide Epenesa into that slot. You pay your stars in their prime.

Kirk Cousins is the only real example that I can think of. It’s not like he took less either he just played under the franchise tag multiple times. He punted on the long-term guaranteed money. Newton’s deal was right around where it was going to be at that point. If he would have played under the 5th year option his deal would have been much bigger so it was a good deal for the Panthers.

Can you think of one example in the last decade of a guy taking less than market value on his 2nd deal?

Lol, these guys sign non-guaranteed deals and have like a 5 year earning window. Why would any reasonable person not maximize their window? They all do (and they should). I do the same thing with my career.

If he was comfortably a starter I’d listen. I actually don’t think Trubisky is as bad as people think. With that being said PFF has admitted to trolling Bills fans for clicks (ie Duck over Allen). They did the Trubisky thing and then just picked Allen. That way if Trubisky never plays again they can fall back to “well we did say that Allen would have a better career.” I actually would have respected it more if one of them picked Trubisky. Anyways, I digress from the thread. I don’t have an issue with Orlovsky thinking that but I don’t agree with him.

Yeah, I would have had no issue with the Trubisky question 1 year ago. It isn’t reasonable at this point though to ask “who will have the better career?” Trubisky may not even start. That’s a troll move. I’d listen to Tua or Allen though.

I get that Allen is a polarizing player. Some in the media love him (Simms, Schein, Kiper) and some don’t (Orlovsky, pff). I don’t take issue when there is a reasonable take (ie Tua and Darnold are better). I don’t necessarily agree but I understand the logic. I take much greater issue when pff asks “who will have a better career Allen or Trubisky?” They know damn well that Trubisky may never start another game. That’s not reasonable imo.

I think Trevor Lawrence is better than Nathan Peterman...

You are probably right. I didn’t look up The specifics of his contract but that would make sense. It would be a great goodwill gesture even without the extra year (although I’d prefer it). That’s the kind of thing good organizations do.