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If true, then IMO the only explanation is that Whaley and Marrone don't want an experienced vet QB who could be viewed as a threat to Manuel's position on the QB depth chart.

Doesn't answer my question. What exactly are the Kelly brothers providing in return for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

I care. I'll take an extra month or two of summer any year(especially the last 15 or so ****ty years of Bills football).

This excerpt from recent Tim Graham column, if true, is just mind boggling on behalf of the Kelly brothers... Two sources familiar with the sales process told The News the Kellys have made lofty partnership demands: 2 percent equity in the team, lifetime jobs for Jim and Dan, an up-front cash payment for their services and final say on all football decisions. I'd love to know what "services" they will be providing that would net them 2% interest in the team, lifetime jobs, up front cash payment, and most bizarre "final say on all football decisions"?? :blink:

A quick 5 minute non-sports bit is not bad. What is bad, is when they dedicate an hour or more to one of Shopp's food drafts or other nonsense. But when you consider how superficial their sports expertise is(even when it comes to the Bills and Sabres), it is no surprise that they wander off topic so frequently. For instance, they amount of time spent discussing Manuel last year without getting in-depth at all was amazing. It was nothing more than Manuel sucks, no he doesn't, give him more time, etc.... rinse and repeat.

I'm saying that tailgating as it exists at RWS today, will change if it is moved downtown. Hard to envision people throwing a football around, setting up elaborate buffets, etc... from a downtown ramp/small surface lot where they are maximizing space even more than at RWS. Not saying it won't be fun, just that it would be different.

Many like to say it is colder in the winter on the waterfront, but when the winds are howling, are the wind chill numbers in the wide open areas around RWS in December, any different than if you were sitting in a stadium on the shores of Lake Erie? IMO, it is a moot point because I believe the next stadium will have a fixed or retractable roof. The Artvoice hipsters don't like parking ramps/lots downtown. They believe everyone should bike, walk or take public transportation downtown when commuting to work. Therefore, you are correct, tailgating would die or be drastically reduced with a downtown stadium.

No way is a section of the 190 getting torn down, and rebuilt underground. There probably isn't enough room to build it on the surface lots near the FNC, so as someone else mentioned, you would have to go to the other side of the casino, and build on the site of the Perry Projects and other surrounding properties. It isn't like there isn't land available in other parts of the east side to put up new subsidized housing for the displaced residents. My money is still on a new stadium being built adjacent to the existing one in one of the current stadium lots.

You do know that the 2 hour time slot occupied by Hockey Hotline(two hour paid infomercial by the Sabres?) was previously occupied by Colin Cowherd. My point...that two hour window(10AM-12PM) except for "Football Monday" or whatever they call it during the season, hasn't been dedicated to Bills talk in years.

Calculator or abacus?

...or it could be a case of a 24 year old with a BIG bank account who doesn't want to grow up(drag racing, can't get his fat ass out of bed for practice, showing up for training camp out of shape, arrested for drugs, etc...). Football does not seem to be the primary focus of this guy.

This thread should be closed at this point. What an idiotic post.

Does it really matter where hockey ranks nationwide? It may not be number 1 in WNY(I bet it's closer than you think among WNY residents), but IMO, it is number 2 in WNY by a large margin over baseball, basketball, soccer, nascar, etc...(combined) Bottom line(not necessarily directed at you)...The knuckleheads at WGR550 can only talk about the Bills for so many hours out of the day, especially when they never discuss them in depth. Don't forget they are also the flagship station of the Sabres.

No. Why?

Some pics as I was in the area(disclaimer...taken from my car with iPhone)

IMO, if/when they ever start the cleanup of the Bethlehem Steel property they would end up finding it worse than expected. The plot of land on the outer harbor where Shooters used to be is also rumored to be a nasty cleanup, and that didn't have a steel plant built on top of it.

Little strange that the portions of the new scoreboard on top of the old administration building appear to be blocked by the club suites depending on where you are sitting. Strange that they didn't elevate it more. Maybe the camera angles are just misleading.

What is the physical difference between a new dome stadium and a multi-use domed stadium? One in the same, unless you are talking about a stadium/convention center, which as I stated previously is not going to work unless placed downtown, and even then, I don't know how much convention business Buffalo can attract?

I agree that some enhancements had to be done in the interim, it is just unfortunate that it took so long to make improvements that the majority of fans can enjoy, instead of pouring millions over the years into club seating/suites(which have been undersold), and other amenities not seen by the majority of fans.

This we agree on.

Why do I think that a convention center won't be part of it, or why mega events won't be begging to come to Buffalo if a new indoor stadium is built? Convention Center would only be part of it, if new stadium is downtown, and on top of that the added cost combined with the lack of current events for the existing convention center makes it probably a no go. Mega events? How many BCS Bowl games are currently played in the Northeast/MidWest? You think they are going to turn their cheek on New Orleans, Miami, Phoenix, Pasadena, etc...? As far as basketball goes, Buffalo can't even get the regional finals of March Madness despite having a proven track record hosting the first and second round of games four or five times now. Final Four? Pipedream. Same reason there will never be a SB here. Not enough hotels. What does that leave? Just being realistic, but I guess that makes me a curmudgeon? :huh: As I just stated, despite having a proven track record in March Madness over the last 10 years, they can't sniff the Sweet 16, but the Final Four is not that far fetched?

^^^ This.

This Bon Jovi boycott cannot rank any lower on the stupidity meter. Don't play his songs on your bar juke box? DJ's don't play any of their music? Bands don't include any of their songs in your set lists? :lol: If you want to start a petition against his potential ownership of the team go ahead(not that it makes any difference in how this plays out), but all this other stuff is petty. What's next? A bonfire where you burn anything Bon Jovi related?

I know many here are not Sabres fans at all, but don't believe for a minute that Golisano/Quinn didn't play a major role in the July 1st, 2007 fiasco when Drury & Briere both left, and then in a panic move the Sabres matched the Vanek offer sheet. Here we are 7 years later, and the Sabres still haven't recovered from that day. While Regier is definitely partially responsible, don't forget about upper management.

My 2 cents... 1 - It is a myth that the Bills have a "cold weather" advantage. It's not true today, it was not true in the SB years, nor the years before that. 2 - Does it make for a more sterile environment? Maybe, but the bottom line from an ownership point of view is filling seats, not making sure the people that do show up are all prepared to scream from start to finish. I seem to remember the King Dome being renowned for being unbelievably loud. 3 - I'd prefer a retractable roof stadium, but it it is a fixed roof, that is a 1000x better than what we have today. IMO the biggest problem isn't the snow and the cold, it is the rainy days with temps between 30-50 that can occur from October on. 4 Multi-purpose stadium? I'd built it with the guarantee that there will be 10 Bills games a year. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything "substantial" beyond that is pie in the sky. Final Four, BCS Games, and other mega events don't just fall in your lap when a dome is built. It isn't going to be a convention center/stadium like Lucas Oil Stadium, so what other events are going to be held there? The days of huge stadium concerts seem to be over(when was the last time one was held at RWS), so what does that leave? The hotel room total will never be sufficient to attract the major events, and new hotels aren't going to be built that will have low occupancy for 95 percent of the year. I have never owned season tickets, but the day an indoor facility is announced, my season ticket deposit will go in the mail.