Mister Defense

A sad day for Bills fans, as the jets never had a chance with that washed up nutjob. I had hoped he would never leave. But all good things come to an end sooner or later. Part of life. Hopefully they continue being the jets and bring in someone with the same kind of skills and leadership ability as our boy, forever, aaron rodgers.

You should go back and read the many super ignorant posts in this thread (and in other similar rb threads). It seems clear that a bunch of people would not want that either, would think that is overpaying for our 2nd best player, 25 year old back, who scored over 20 touchdowns this year.

Wow, you think that poster is unrealistic!!? He got that many yards only because the Bills did not use him the way other teams have used their top running backs. He was the 6th best back this season in ypc with 4.9. Cook became a (more) elite back this year, with amazing vision, speed and, with added size and strength, a back who consistently broke tackles. And he scored over 20 touchdowns. "Let him walk"!!! Come on, it is a flat out preposterous thing to say about the 2nd best player on the team. If the Bills' leadership ever shows this kind of supreme ignorance, like a previous leadership group did with Lynch, it would make me lose hope for the future, this team's potential.

I cannot disagree more with the comment, now in bold, above. It would not be wise, but on the contrary, would be a huuuge mistake, and one based exclusively on significant ignorance and stupidity. Get rid of one of the top players on the team, a man just starting to come into his own, and, to this point, very underutilized? Would be so unwise, it would go down in the team history, like the Lynch trade, as one of the biggest mistakes the Bills have ever made. Amazing how many in this thread are just casually saying it is fine, a good thing for some, to just cut ties with what is likely the 2nd best player on our team. And one of the best all around running backs in the league.

Hmm, I was there for his last game when the conventional wisdom was that he was just being used then, after not getting consistent carries, because the Bills wanted to showcase him for trade value. For an out of shape guy he looked like the super fast, bruising, unstoppable force that he was then, and that he would be for years, leading to several Seattle Super Bowls and Hall of Fame career. I think that out of shape crap was just the Bills, or media, covering their backs, knowing what an amazing player he was.

Honestly, those just throwing Cook overboard and somehow still suggesting that good running backs are a dime a dozen, easily replaced, are spewing some of the most ignorant, outrageous football nonsense imaginable. How outrageous? One poster comparing the loss of Cook to the loss of Gabe Davis last year, somehow equating the two players and their value to the Bills. Yikes, yikes and more yikes. Scary ignorance, making me so happy that none of those crazy thoughts are likely shared by any sentient leader at One Bills Drive.

Yikes, as if the last few years never happened in the NFL. Same kind of shocking ignorance that had posters railing against Marshawn Lynch and thinking his trade to the Seahawks was a good move. Good, great, elite running backs are NOT a dime a dozen. Please watch the last season again... and with open eyes. He won't get 20 million but likely 15 on average. And nope, he will cost more than a dime. Sorry. It is just like the McDermott haters, and often the same group. You cannot change their views, no matter the clear trend in the NFL the last few years, and the immense value of a high level running back to creating a championship contender. They just close their eyes and repeat the cliches about running backs and the running game not being that relevant, that so many ignorant people have been saying for years. They believe that repeating others' ignorant thoughts makes theirs legitimate, sharp.

I would say no way in he*l would Tomlin ever let this team wrecking, culture destroying player even near his team, let alone leading it. rodgers would undermine him every step of the way, just like he has done to his coaches for years. People often get more crazy as they age, and rodgers has clearly demonstrated he is on that train for good now. He will be extremely lucky to get any serious job offers, unless the jets are footing almost the entire bill. More likely that he is done, and heads off into the darkness hopefully.

Oh well. Was hoping for one more comically inept, disastrous year for him and the jets. It was fun while it lasted. Hopefully the jets will need to eat a huge salary for him this year. Someone should go back and count all of the Bills' fans in this forum who were scared of this washed up has been, wicked head case, leading the jets. I heard the Cam Newton is looking to make a comeback. If not, possibly Kirk Cousins? In any case, I have confidence the jets will pick that caliber of player for rodgers to hand the reigns of the team over to.

Um, yes, I think the answer is yes for almost all fans, media, and also folks in charge, a no brainer. See all of the other threads on all of the big name defensive players people want, please... How do you think we would go about getting a Garrett or a Crosby? Not all of the draft picks, of course, but the draft alone will not do it for the Bills, though the draft picks themselves will need to do some of the heavy lifting.

Excellent OP. I agree with all that you say except don't understand your points on Ty Johnson. Yes, like all of the running backs this year, underutilized in the running and passing game, but he is an excellent weapon when used correctly. It seems almost every time he touches the ball, whether running or passing, he makes a very positive play for the offense. I agree with the Cooper, idea, and the price you mention. I bet that will happen. If he still looks anything like he looked in Cleveland, when he's healthy again, he will be a superb weapon. Reminds me of a bigger Shakir or Beasley, but getting open in the intermediate range more. Great route runner and separator. If he still has those traits, a no brainer. But the Bills will still get a top tier wide receiver, in free agency or the draft. Leaning toward the former, as they want to win now, not wait for a rookie to develop.

Come on!! Just illogical nonsense in your initial point, making you sound like Nick Wright or, worse, Shannon Sharp, especially the latter, with zero basis in fact, reality there. Yup, the Bills are just good against weaker opponents--beat the #1 AFC seed this season, the only team to do so, beat the #1 NFC seed, in their own stadium, dominated the Broncos in the playoffs, shoot did they even threaten to score after that first TD?, beat the powerhouse, going to smash the Bills to smithereens Ravens in the divisional round... And you can go on and on, and do the same thing for the last season. Almost all would agree the Bills need an influx of talent on the d-line, and a few other key defensive players. But your first line above is a joke, complete BS.

Okay, thanks for the response. But keep thinking the process through from there, what they would need to do to implement it... Goodell would then need to make sure someone such as Ramon George, the head of NFL Officiating is informed of his decision to ensure that the Chiefs get preferential treatment against the teams they play, and the types of calls/non calls Goodell has in mind. Then, of course, the referees themselves would need the same information, if they are to help Goodell and the NFL with their scheme. And then the NFL would have to hope, beyond hope, I think, that all parties involved, every official, every referee, and all of Goodell's people who helped him implement this plan, remain completely quiet on this matter now and for the rest of their lives. If not, of course it would be the biggest scandal in sports history. 16 billion was bet on last year's Super Bowl, and they estimate 23 billion will be bet this year. And I assume several billion at least was wagered on the championship game, and ditto for each of the playoff games etcetera. If one referee stepped forward to spill the beans on this enormous and immensely illegal conspiracy by the NFL, the bettors would likely win tens of billions of dollars, at least, in their lawsuits against the league. I think many on this forum would be part of these enormous class action lawsuits. And they would win. And those attending these rigged games would also want their money back, and they too would likely win their huge class action lawsuits. Etcetera etcetera... And the most important thing to any sport, its basic integrity would be shattered for a very long time. Of course Goodell, and his goons, would also likely be sent to prison for the rest of their lives. Massive fraud, historically so. Seems a little bit risky when teams like the Bills and Lions would almost assuredly garner better ratings, don't you think?

Well, yes, the OP is talking about Kelce's retirement, but they are clearly focused on the reason they want Kelce to retire. Correct?--that is their main focus, why his retirement is so needed? As the short OP says: "Right now the Taylor factor is to big for the NFL to not want KC to make it to the super bowl. There is to much money to be had with her bringing in fans that would never watch the super bowl." etcetera It is clearly , and I would say unequivocally implying there has been a significant conspiracy by the NFL to favor KC in games, including playoff games and possibly the Super Bowl because of the relationship between Kelce and Swift. That is the point of the topic, the point of the OP--the conspiracy to favor KC in games by the NFL because of the Kelce/Swift relationship. And that is the only reason the poster gives for wanting Kelce to retire. It is crystal clear that that is the focus, the main topic of the OP, the reason why they want Kelce to retire. I cannot imagine how any sentient adult would support such a statement. Just a completely unsupported whim, a feeling, by one person, with zero to back it up, nothing. Do you agree with the OP's main point?

It seems above you are implying that is, at least in part, why she maintains the relationship with Kelce, as you connect the two ideas. But why would what many would say is the biggest star in the music world before dating Kelce care about the 'commercial benefits' of dating him as you indicate? Wouldn't this billionaire care less about the commercial benefits you point to and instead want a relationship based on other, more personal and legitimate qualities?

What makes you think Goodell gets 'much more' than 64 million under the table? And why would it be 'under the table'? With the kind of money you are suggesting it would be extremely illegal for both the NFL and Goodell. It would mean Goodell likely spends the rest of his life in prison when this all comes out in public, which is bound to happen soon, with the extensive number of people that would need to be involved.

Okay, an extremely bold statement above, so now in bold-see above. Since you say that, how do you see this all coming together? Who would tell the officials to "favor one team"? Who would have told someone to tell the officials to do this? In order for this conspiracy theory to have legs, one would have to have some basic answers on those parts. I am assuming you and others supporting this have your ideas, so please share with us. Thanks.

Hmm... Okay, can you state what you believe is actually happening, specifically, and how it is being done?. When you read things like the OP here it is hard to imagine how that can be legitimate. The biggest scandal is sports history is still the 1919 Black Sox scandal when 8 Sox players conspired with gamblers to lose the World Series. What you and the OP clearly imply, state, would blow the roof off of the NFL and the US sports industry in general if confirmed. Like I said, it would be the biggest sports scandal, act of sports corruption in US history, making the Black Sox scandal pale in comparison. Billions of dollars would be involved with huge class action lawsuits against the NFL. So, what and how do you think has actually taken place behind the scenes for what you say above, supporting the OP? What do you mean "the power of hate watching"? I have no idea whatsoever what that means-?

Yikes. The Bills score the biggest ratings in almost every big game they are in. The NFL knows that the Bills in the Super Bowl may mean the best ratings ever. And if the Bills were playing a team like the Lions, who also have never won a Super Bowl, then it is even more likely that would happen. So you would think as they planned out something as elaborate as what is proposed, that someone would have pointed out to Goodell or or another leader how corrupt it would be, how illegal. The biggest scandal in the history of sports. And the dumbest. If you are going through all that trouble to basically fix games, wouldn't you want to pick the best match up? A crazy conspiracy theory no one should believe. So, a troll or joke?

Very very likely, and I think it is funny when people on here question whether we should trade our (end of the) first round picks for an elite player, like a Diggs, when we can. Their reasoning makes little sense, especially if the player we get is in his prime: we cannot give up draft picks... Of course we should! The Bills will likely never be in a position with Allen to get that elite d-lineman in the draft, unless they have mega draft capital to move far up, and then maybe they would sacrifice other areas of need if we do. The Bills will likely go after a Crosby or a Higgins in free agency this year, and may give up a #1 for Crosby. But it seems extremely unlikely the Raiders, or any team, would let a game changing D-lineman like him go for one draft pack, near the end of the first round. The draft is a crap shoot while a player like Crosby, if healthy, is not.

Yes, I feel the same, and especially about the bold above. To me the most under under utilized part of the Bills this year was their great stash of running backs. Cook was not just a fast and elusive running back with good vision anymore, but an elite running back, with much more power and elite vision. And it seems almost every time Johnson has touched the ball since he has been here it has been a very positive play that helped to move the sticks. While Davis almost disappeared in his touches after demonstrating he too looks like a top tier back, fast as well, but a little MJD like bulldozer, who can also catch the ball very well. I was hoping, as I have been saying almost all year in the prediction threads, that in this game the running backs stable would take over, and that would open up the passing game. It didn't happen, though it clearly could have if the Bills tried it--the Chiefs could not stop Cook, so throw in the others more too and it is a different game. Josh had said before the first playoff game that they were basically not going to reinvent the wheel, and instead do what what brought them here. But in the first two games that was not the case, as they did some things very differently to beat those specific teams. So I said his earlier words were a smokescreen to masque their true intentions--add, subtract, and change wherever it was needed. But against the Chiefs they were too static, did not do mix things up. Cannot do that against a great team, great coaching. Next year Brady opens things up, as he takes the next step. Does anyone not expect this guy to get better in his second full year as OC, after a superb first full year?

gotta grow up, Bud, stop the hate.... And keep dreaming...

Not clear, at all, what you mean by that last line? Related to beating the Bills??

Yes, and to me, they have maybe the best base they have had with Allen to now do that, as they were very close this year, with their best offense so far. Current team: the best O line, best OC, best stable of running backs (all under utilized this year, in the running and passing game--not next year..), best slot receiver, best tight ends, and best version of Josh. Now they will definitely get that stud wide receiver to blow the roof off defenses, and Coleman will also have a big second year. Unstoppable. Add in the best defensive lineman they have had (Crosby??) a huge defensive tackle, load up on defense with almost all draft capital, and the Bills become the team. Before Josh is 30. Plenty of time for our own dynasty, right here in Buffalo.

Wow, but where do Chiefs stand as far as points given up per game in their playoff games against the Bills? 28.5 per game So, right up there with all time worst defensive performances in NFL history, right? Hard to imagine a team with such a porous defense winning it all, ever. Must have just gotten lucky, as they likely will become again in a few weeks. Or, maybe both the Chiefs and Bills have two of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, with almost unstoppable offenses?