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I don't see Zack Wilson in your top 8...?

Overpaid but they had to do it in my opinion and that's where the QB market is now

Fair points. You're probably right and I'm definitely more negative than positive on Salah, but he has been dealt a pretty crap on offence. I do think flacco succeeding in Cleveland and not New York makes sense though. Browns have a way better o line, a much better run game, an offensive head coach and better offensive weapons. And let's be honest, a lot of luck as there were a ton of "yolo" balls thrown that somehow worked lol

I think the jury is still out on Him IMO. Last year he was given an impossible task with Zach Wilson at QB. I think that's more of an indictment on Joe Douglas to not having a proper backup QB This will def be a make or break year for him

He was especially bad in that green bay game. He legit could not throw in that rain. (And wasn't even coming down hard) Going to be a big problem for SF if they have bad weather games in the playoffs

Ya i dont get some of the tomlin hate around here. The guy got to the playoffs with Mason Rudolph last year

I do agree with that part as I think if the bills had their key guys, they probably win the game against them this year

There's definitely some truth with what you're saying about injuries affecting the result. However I do think there's more to it as well. 2021 against the chiefs in the regular season- Milano and Harrison Phillips were hurt And Bills defence played amazing and won on that Sunday night game . Then in the playoffs that year ? Ok Tre White didn't play which was a big loss, but Milano and Phillips played that game. And we know what happened. 42 points or whatever it was to the chiefs. So ya injuries were def a factor this year. But I don't think it's as simple as "we played well cause we were healthy in the reg season and didn't play well cause we were healthy in the playoffs". As the 2021 season didn't fit that narrative^

Haha so you're going to compare the 80s-90s to now?😂 It's literally apples and oranges. It's a passing league now, completely different to 35 years ago. You know this. This is not a McDermott rant. I was ONCE again responding to a comment saying it's different than andy Reid's situation. You were the one commenting on my post bud. I don't even understand what you're trying to say in your bonus note. I've read it 3 times and have no idea what you're trying to prove there. In no world is Josh Allen a problem in the playoffs though. The defence is the one letting the bills down and yes, coaching. That's not a rant, it's a fact

My overall point is Andy Reid has always been an elite coach. The thing missing for him was having an elite QB to put him over the edge. And when he got an elite QB, he now has 3 rings Tying this back to the bills: McDermott has had an elite QB for the past 4 years but hasn't even been to a Super Bowl. So I don't understand the comparison when a few of you said "Maybe McDermott is like Andy Reid and just needs more time to figure it out". Maybe he will. But it's not a comparison in my mind because what's changing for McDermott? He has an elite QB already. If you disagree all good. But hopefully you at least see my point

Very good post and well put

So now Mcnabb is in the same breath as Jim Kelly and Marino? . i honestly don't get how you don't think Mahomes is the biggest difference in Andy Reid's career lol The lightbulb didn't all of a sudden go "on" for Andy Reid after 20 years. The lightbulb went "on" because he has a superstar QB. I really dont get how you even dispute that. Take Mahomes off the chiefs and replace him with let's say Dak Prescott or whoever you think is a QB in the 8-10 range and he would have 0 rings still. KC won what, 0 or maybe 1 playoff game without Mahomes in the Reid era? And that's with Hill, Kelce etc

So we are comparing a top 10 QB in his era to one of the best QBs of all time🤦‍♂️ We will agree to disagree like you said last night sir, all good.

All fair points and I don't dispute that . But will you admit that the biggest thing missing for Andy Reid was having an elite QB? Where McDermott has had an elite QB for the last 4 years.

I'm not saying McDermott can't get it done. But he hasn't yet with an elite quarterback. So you really believe the biggest difference in Andy Reid's career is that? Reid was the coach in KC for what 7 seasons before he won a championship? So your main reason that Andy got over the hump is it took about 20 years for the lightbulb to go on for him and the reason why he's successful now is because he's not the GM in KC, and not the main reason being Mahomes. Do you truly believe that?

The point I am trying to prove here before we got down this rabbit hole is simple: Someone compared andy Reid to McDermott. The situation is completely different. Reid went from having a "good" QB to an elite QB. That elite QB helped him get over the edge and he now has 3 rings and counting. McDermott is not going from a "good" to elite QB. He has had an elite QB for the past 4 seasons but still hasn't gotten it done. if you disagree with that, I'm not sure what to really tell you. But all good either way and we can move on

It was 100 percent time for a change for Andy in Philly, there's no doubt as he ran his course there. But Mcnabb was 33-34 years old when he left.. lol. That's not old At all as a QB I gave endless examples of guys who were still very good in their mid to late 30s in this post Rivers, Eli, Peyton manning, favre, Big Ben, brees, stafford, favre, Brady, Rodgers. Thats literally 10 at the top of my head. Mcnabbs last year in Philly to when he left was a night and day difference. You're telling me he aged that quickly in the span of what, 7 months? Want another example? Look at Alex smith's numbers with Andy compared to without him. (Outside his 2012 season with a stacked Jim Harbaugh team)

Ok but the argument was about Mcnabb. I wasn't comparing them to Kelly or Marino era. Mcnabb basically played in the same era from all the guys I listed

No im not a "Super Bowl is a quarterback stat kind of guy". But when Andy constantly gets to the nfl championship games and even a SB, but just couldn't get over the hump and then when he leaves and Mcnabb goes to complete s hit? And then andy wins 3 rings with an elite QB? I don't think it's that hard to put the pieces to the puzzle here. Like is Bill belichick a crap coach because he can't win a playoff game without an elite QB?

Again, how can we possibly say he wasn't the reason? lol. Mcnabb fell off an absolute clip without Andy. And when Andy left he won 3 rings with Mahomes What more evidence do you really want? Team structure? Ok It's not like Andy inherited a superbowl team in KC. He inherited a 2-14 team lol. What a coincidence: He won 3 super bowls when his quarterback was way better . McDermott has an elite QB already and nothing has changed since 2020

The roster he inherited was horrible in 2013. He completely changed that franchise around He also helped make Alex smith into a pro bowler lol Andy is also an all time great coach and will go down as one of the best to ever do it. He just needed a great QB to put him over the edge. (Like every other great coach. Bill belichick ain't winning 3 super bowls with Donovan Mcnabb)

How could we not say it was because of QB though for Andy? These facts can't be disputed: 1. You can debate all you want about Mcnabb being a good QB. But he's not even in the same ball park as mahomes 2. When Mcnabb left and wasn't with Andy, he was garbage 3. when Andy left and got an elite QB, he has 3 rings and counting. So how can we possibly say that QB wasn't the issue holding Andy back in Philly?

Ok. And when Andy left, Mcnabb was hot trash and Andy won 3 rings. Its pretty easy to put the pieces to the puzzle here to who the problem was with Andy not winning, with all due respect

Based on what? He had a top 3 coach of all time with stacked weapons and he couldn't win. (Also had a good defence with Jim Johnson) Andy leaves Philly and has 3 rings now cause he has an elite QB

Exactly what I'm trying to say. Mcnabb isn't close to the same league as Josh and Mahomes