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Redskins go for 2 for a win and fail instead of OT....with about 18 seconds left

New england 4th down 7 seconds left...ball around Miami 15...no timeouts each team......miami wins...buffalo eliminated

In reading this article I wondered if it was linked to this: http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/223336/1/Bills-Cut-Access-At-Popular-Shortcut-To-Stadium- which was posted on the board earlier about this fance blocking the lot. An re-reading it I realized it was one of the two who died. The reaction to the Bills in blocking this walkway now makes little sense. What they should have done is create a drunk room where people go to sober up before even kicking them out of the stadium. As far as the story written was interesting. the big question is still around the one guys death in if he went to the bar or not and what happened. This could have been an accident or it could have been a homicide As for game experiences..... I havent had problems there and i have gone to games over 30 years. When I was in my 20s I would go to a game a year with buddies of mine. they would drink, I wouldnt. We would go there and be there around 1000-1030 and then tailgate and set up a grill and usually do burgers and hot dogs. We would do this before and after the game. i have also gone to some games where I just go for the game with little tailgating done. thus I would get there around noon and park, In the stands there were never any issues that I recall that were significant near me. One time when I was with my buddies, one of the guys got into an argument with the person behind him over something stupid.. If I recall, the issue was him doing simple swearing like oh sh-- and then they would complain about it. I remember times when the games were blown out you could scan tha stadiun and see fights. I went to a Pittsburgh game and Buffalo beat them so starting in the late 3rd quarter on there were fights all over the stadium. I also went to a MNF game one time. I didnt notice a significant difference. At theat time the team was good so maybe then you got a cleaner fan base. Now because the team is losing the people are going are a more younger partying crowd, while if they were a playoff team you get long time, skew older fans, who are going to see a good team and not just escape and get drunk.

NFC...... If DAL & PHL tied---DAL will get the tie breaker If DET and CHI tied--DET gets the tiebreaker. IF NO and CAR are tied NO gets the tiebreaker. IF SF and SEA end up tied SF would get the tie breaker of division record. Az cant win the division. IF Az and SEA are tied at 11-5--SEA would have tiebreaker of conference record. wild card Arizona has the tiebreaker on CAR Carolina has tiebreaker on SF SF has tiebreaker on AZ So for week 17 SF/AZ game to mean anything they need to be tied then winner would get wild card. Wild Card at 10-6 DAL at 10-6 will win division. DET at 10-6 win the division CHI at 10-6 will win division if DET lose 1. Since PHL and CHI play—only one of them would have 10 wins Conference wins: PHL 9 beat AZ CHI 6 beat DAL CAR 7/8 SF 7 AZ 6/7 CHI lose to CAR, SF, & AZ (common games) PHL edges CAR, SF, & AZ At 9-7 PHL 8 DAL 8 DET 7/8 SF 7 CAR 6 AZ cant pass SF, CAR beat SF CHI loses all tiebreakers DET beat DAL, PHL beat DET AFC wild card 10-6 BAL, MIA BAL win last 3 MIA win last 3 and BAL lose 1 IF KC were to finish at 10-6 BAL and MIA get the wild cards. 9-7 BAL, MIA, MYJ, SD NYJ & MIA tied at 9-7 NYJ get the tiebreker for 2nd based on common games. MIA-SD MIA H2H BAL-MIA /MYJ BAL H2H SD-BAL BAL conf record SD-NYJ SD conf record NYJ-BAL-SD BAL conf record MIA-BAL-SD MIA conf record (IF BAL lose is to DET), BAL conf record (IF BAL lose is to AFC) 8-8 BAL, MIA, MYJ, SD, PIT, TEN NYJ 2-1 /MIA 1-2 If MIA beat NYJ then MIA has H2H, otherwise NYJ get 2nd place PIT 3-0/BAL 1-2 then PIT has div record for 2nd place. TEN beat SD, NYJ, and PIT MIA beat PIT, SD BAL beat NYJ, MIA PIT beat NYJ Conf wins BAL 7/6 PIT 6 MIA 7 NYJ 4/5 SD 5 TEN 6 BAL-MIA BAL BAL-NYJ BAL PIT-MIA MIA PIT-NYJ PIT MIA-SD MIA NYJ-SD SD MIA-TEN MIA NYJ-TEN TEN BAL-SD BAL BAL-TEN BAL*** PIT-SD PIT PIT-TEN TEN TEN-SD TEN ***BAL-TEN if BAL loses to DET then BAL has better conference record, IF BAL beats DET, then it comes down to S.V. of which BAL has a significant edge. 3 or 4 way ties…its head to head where one team either beat others or lost to others then conference record. Once down to 2 teams it reverts to just a 2 team tie. 7-9 Mia lose 3, BAL lose 3, NYJ lose to CAR & CLE….. MIA out BUF wins 3 they earn 2nd, if not Jets earn 2nd. BAL lose 3 and tied with PIT/CLE—PIT/CLE win tie for 2nd TEN/JAX tied at 7-9 JAX has the tie breaker H2H SD/OAK tied 7-9, OAK has tie breaker div record BUF & JAX cant both finish 7-9 due to game against each other Conference wins: BUF 6 NYJ 4 BAL 6 PIT 5/6 CLE 5 TEN 5/6 JAX 7 SD 5 OAK 7 both BUF and JX cant be 7-9 because of sundays game. EAST & North can be 2 way tied at 7-9, SOUTH and WEST will be tied with a team from the EAST and NORTH BUF-BAL BUF BUF-CLE CLE BUF-PIT PIT BUF-SD BUF BUF-OAK OAK BUF-TEN ----- CLE-TEN --- CLE-OAK OAK CLE-SD --- CLE-JAX JAX JAX-OAK OAK TEN-OAK TEN JAX-SD SD JAX-BAL JAX PIT-OAK OAK Buffalo would need to finish in 2nd place and be tied with BAL at 7-9 or Buffalo is tied with PIT/CLE and SD and/or TEN (if TEN only has 5 conference wins) IF BUF and TEN are both 7-9 and TEN goes 2-1 but losing to AZ but winning their divisional games then they would both be 6-6, but TEN would have better common game record. beating AZ and losing 1 of their last 2 gives them only 5 conference wins.

Actually with many of these trades whose to say the star player who was traded for or drafted with that pick would have turned into the same player with that other team....Many players success or failure is greatly dependent on the talent around them and the system they play in. As for Lynch, if he didnt have that threat of long suspension hanging over him he would have returned more.

I am shocked !!!!! The only reason this game was flexed was as a favor to CBS because the NFL forced them to give up the first Denver/Kansas City game that they protected. i knew they would move another game to the 4:25 slot for their DH --just didnt think it would come like this. No matter what happens next week at least one of Philly and Chicago have something to play for. If Philly wins next week, Dallas lose next week, and Dallas lose again in the afternoon week 16, Then Philly will clinch the division before this game starts. They would be up by 2 games with dallas having only 1 to play.

Just looking at the schedule of week 16 CBS has the DH and has Pittsburgh @ Green Bay and Oakland @San Diego--2 potential blow out games. I think they would move a 1pm game to 4:25 to add another game.... The 1pm games are: Miami at Buffalo Cleveland at Jets Denver at Houston Tennessee at Jacksonville Indianapolis at Kansas City Sure that last one could be the most attractive---but with Indy clinching the division and Kansas City likely a wild card---with these two teams facing each other in the playoffs this may not be a good game because Indy could rest some players and Indy could opt to hide their play book. This game would also mean more affiliates would possibly move from Pittsburgh-green bay. Indy-KC could be the headliner for the 1pm slot. I think they have the ability to move a 1pm to a 4:25pm game a week before the start---but Im not sure on that. Miami @ buffalo moving to 4:25 gives them an additional game but also not one that necessarily strips audience from Pittsburgh-GGreen Bay but gives them a back up game to have in case that game turns into a blow out.

actually the Steelers with Big Ben and Baltimore with Flacco were unusual--they had strong defenses and a strong veteran presence and running game surrounding them --thus they played safe. Seattle was similar to them---very strong defense and a strong running game with experience at RB and WR. Indy was more of an annomolly --but Luck could be one of those special QBs. :ast year they won a bunch of close games. A play here or there in those games they easily could have been 7-9. Combined that with the situation with the head coach's health was a factor. Last year Washington got hot and benefited with the schedule. They played close in the first part of the season. After their bye they played 5 of their final 7 games against the division which benefited them in their come back.

NFC playoffs..... a lot still to be decided with DAL at CHI and CAR at NO coming up.... Gionats eliminated. DAL and PHL still play out for the week 17 game to decide the division title. If SF and AZ are tied SF has clinched 2nd place by assuring themselves a better division record. going into week 17 Arizona needs to be tied or ahead of SF in the standings for the week 17 game to be a potential winner take wild card game.

As for the AFC wild card....... Baltimore and Miami are tied at 7-6 San Diego and Jets are at 6-7 Tennessee and Pittsburgh at 5-8 MIA beat SD, PIT, Jets BAL beat Jets, MIA TEN beat Jets, SD, and PIT PIT beat Jets If the Jets and MIA are tied at 8-8 or 9-7 w/ Jets beating MIA in week 17 the Jets have the tiebreaker advantage.. If TEN win out, have Jets and pittsburgh finish 8-8 and both in 2nd place, and San Diego at 8-8 in 3rd place then Tennessee would get the wild card. Pittsburgh needs to win out, have Jets finish at 8-8 in 2nd, ENN not go 8-8, and SD end 8-8 or worse.

In order for Buffalo to make it in the playoffs at 7-9..... 1. Buffalo win 3 2. Miami lose 3 3. Baltimore lose 3 4 Jets lose 2 5. san Diego lose 2 6. pittsburgh lose 2 7. Tennessee lose 2 8 Cleveland lose 1 9 Oakland lose 1 There are a few other scenarios where Pittsburgh only loses 1/Cleveland loses 0 to finish in 2nd place at 7-9 but Buffalo get in due to tie breakers at 7-9 based on better conference record thus neutralizing the head to head loss.

Easier way to track it is just look at opponents wins---this total wins is both who they played and who they have left. 1 HOU 2 115 2 WAS 3 105 3 ATL 3 113.5 4 MIN 3.5 108 5 JAX 4 102 6 CLE 4 106 7 OAK 4 107 8 BUF 4 110 9 TB 4 117 10 PIT 5 99 11 TEN 5 103 12 NYG 5 111 13 STL 5 113

Fitz through a 41 yd TD pass.....it was an in the air pass....not a short pass with YAC.

Just happened in Denver by Denver kicker Prater from 64 yards out

It was close...its one of those bang bang plays where was his second foot down when he caught the ball. Then in the Miami -Pittsburgh game. Last play Miami up by 6 they do one of those lateral plays and the WR got the ball and looked like he could score but he stepped out of bounds around the 13. He had a few steps from the nearest defender...if he turned his run into the field instead of sideline he scores.

Detroit called a time out in order to clear a PAT attempt----it failed--blocked and philly wanted to return it.

looking at the radar---Philly looks like snow throughout the game. Washington may end in 3rd, NY may get some in the 2nd half. Pittsburgh looks like more scattered snow the rest of the game---same for Green Bay. If Chicago played today there would be a chance of snow.

Cincinnati got a big break---it was Tripplet again. The defender tripped the RB around the 5 and he stumbles and dives and knee lands around the 2 with the ball around the 1 and then he slides into the end zone. Tripplett rules he wasnt tripped---this is like the 2nd time he blew a big play. Id be surprised to see him working the playoffs. I agree---you get that Philly snow in the superbowl it will destroy the competitive balance. Detroit went for 2 without trying a kick. Philly goes for it near the endzone instead of kicking a FG. Brady not having a good day.... Pittsburgh tries Auburn-alabama with a lateral Im fine with merging the threads instead of closing one

Philly has snow---they arent alone---Baltimore, Pittsburgh, aWashington has snow. Green Bay has gotten some snow earlier with snow on the field. In Pittsburgh after the Steelers TD they look like they cleared the yard lines and

I dont recall a time when so many games had snow in the same week. Washington, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh have snow falling now. Green Bay field has gotten some snow. Looking at the field their was some snow fall but not right now.

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I agree---the stadium capacity has dropped about 9,000 from the early 90s. a game like the houston miracle would have sold out. The games that didnt sell out in December were games against the crappy or unfamiliar(most NFC) opponents. The other problem with the Houston playoff game---Buffalo was expected to make the playoffs and win the division, then have a week off. then the first game of the playoffs was the weekend between Christmas and New years---many regular ticket purchasers couldnt do it because they already had travel plans of them traveling out or family coming in thus couldnt do the game. If the schedule was the same as today with the wild card game the weekend after new yrs day then Buffalo sells the game out. now a game at home in between those two weekends can still sell out because its a known and planned for event. Some people would like to go to the game and plan on going to it but only if it mattered....if they were out of it then they wouldnt go,

They put a playoff team out there people will come. Buffalo has enough people to support the team. There is what---about 4M people in NY from syracuse on west + the candaian population of southern ontario and Toronto (10M ???). Southern Ontario gets all the Bills games through CTV and through them picking up the US affiliates. The team doesnt need to play in toronto, but I understand what they are trying to do. By them playing an annual game there, if another team or expansion were to relocate to toronto they would get a lot more of the expansion fee than other teams....if a team relocates, they will get some fees from the league.

They still do fly overs....with the sequestor and the govt closures going on doing AF fly overs is a low priority --thus postponed.

I still see Chandler being resigned. One problem is the offense didnt utilize him like they used to. The contract is likely also for next year but just llike all NFL contracts there is no guarenntee if cut in camp.