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Agreed

Oops I meant on the rocks FFS was still in my head from reading his long post

Oh I don't think you're out of line, just voicing some alternate views and also agreeing with you that the 2 shouldn't be compared, although FFS really wasn't comparing them as peers the way I read it.

Emmit=Class 'nuff said.

Travis is certainly not a loser, and I personally don't believe in looking at a player's "record" in the ultimate team game that football is, but you are right (IMO) that he doesn't compare to Alexander as a player.

1- Jim Brown 2- Walter Payton 3- Gale Sayers 4- Emmit Smith (But I would have put Bo Jackson here if he played longer)

Darin, I've heard that you have "man love" for TD? Is this true?

How in the world could Posey and Shaw be considered mistakes when Posey is at the lower end of the pay scale and atleast plays consistently and doesn't hurt the defense, and Shaw came in for peanuts as well and led the team in receptions in 2003? I'll give you Lindell....

I'd agree with all of that Rico. Good point about JJ too. He needed to prove that he could maintain his level of play and make it through a season healthy. Well of course his play was fine, and he almost made it all the way through healthy

d wag, Alaska is absolutley right about TD and the Steelers. It was widely known that it was the ownership, not GM and Player personnell who was unwilling to pay top dollar to retain players, so they merely relied on TD's abilities to consistently find talent to replace the guys that were leaving. I (unfortunately) have all too many friends who are diehard Steeler fans and they would attest to this. Most of them also comment from time to time about how they hated to see TD go. The reason he isn't still in Pitt is because of of one man, Bill Cowher. Their power struggle over Kordell Stewart (Cowher supported him, TD did not) was the beginning of the end for TD in Pitt.

They agreement would be in place with PS's agent before the trade actually went down (these things don't just come up as afterthoughts). We just re-signed AS and he had an even more complete year than his previous 2 (yes even though he had 2 less sacks). He dominated Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden, remember? Taylor is great but this would just not work because AS's signing bonus hits us for the next 5 years.

as long as it's not the "just give it to 'em" guy

Why is that? (I'm being serious) ....

I like the plan and agree with you that it may hurt the plans to resign PW and JJ. Although if both EM AND DB restructure, technically we would have the $ for all of this (depending on the cost of the upgraded guard which I agree we need).

If I may step in, I see where you're going with this and it is a valid point, but I think think teams should be very careful when trying to use the Pats as a model. I don't think it's as cookie cutter as people think it is. They have a once in a generation coach, a group of players that consistently overachieve week in and week out and play for less than market value, and a QB with a "6th sense" for playing the game. Traditionally (actually all other cases) , great teams also have healthy portions of really good players...

While at the depressing Pittsburgh season finale this season, I figured out that it was my 75th time attending the Ralph/Rich stadium for a Bills game. The impressive (or strange) part of this for me was that none of those visits have been made as a season ticket holder I was not fortunate to have ever attended the Rockpile though....

Yes In order to trade for a guy with a year left on his contract, he will have to reneg a new contract with the new team. This applies to both Henry and Surtain in this hypothetical circumstance, as Henry will obviously make more than the beans he makes now and Surtain would have to take a pay cut and be extended. I may be foolish to think we could "work out" having that much salary in the seconday (depends in the market value of Surtain at 28 and Clements hopefully resigning before his contract expires), that remains to be seen. But when I think about Value, you gotta make the move with TH for PS... That's what I was getting at.

As stated, Willis IS a fine receiver out of the backfield and showed it time and time again in college. He really needs to be the guy on all downs to put defenses in a position of weakness. I've had enough of the tell-tale "packages" that we've used...

I probably should have been more clear on that... I agreed with him in the sense that Clements deserves to get paid after steadily improving his skills in his tenure here, and that we should not be afraid to pay him what he's worth ( not overpay ofcourse) because successful teams have continuity and take care of their own upper level players (besides the Pats) when the opportunity comes...

I must agree with you on this wholeheartedly d_wag. Also , as mentioned, many of the bonus $ will still be paid by Miami.... If this really turns into "Henry for Surtain" I'd do it in a heartbeat. I tend to think of it less on a position of need basis and more on a "Value for Value" basis.

It was a patch for the PC version and the fatigue still works Stupid PS2 lol

That glitch was fixed in a patch long ago....

Good thread Bill.... I like the idea of seeing how TT would fare at tackle , and that's probably something they would look at if Jonas left. My hope though is that Jonas stays and we keep continuity at Center with TT. I definitely agree that LG needs an upgrade badly, either way. I'm definitely not on board with the idea of Amos Z as a backup RB... He is merely a scat back/ third down type who's recent stats are entirely misleading due to lots of runs on third and long. etc. He has zero abilty to break tackles as well.

I see more and more people have figured out the unfortunate reason we lost that game Just think, we may then have had the confidence to win atleast one (maybe two but probably not ) of the other SuperBowls.

Very True...