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Complete and utter unfounded speculation manifested in your own mind. ....... I will try to dig up some of the quotes that I refered to **** EDIT- Ah, here is one: Press Conference

You might guess that, but then when does two "off the field" situations empiricly lead one to the conclusion of "cancer" in the locker room? , and what scientific method would support that line of thought?

that is not an area that I was disputing in any way. In fact I credited VA for being the guy who pointed to those shortcomings long ago...

In the real world, evidence taken from players GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY to praise TH for his professionalism at times when NOT PROMPTED to do so qualifies as more substantial than speculations of a fan based on 4 years ago. That Said, this has become quite an entertaining thread for many other unexpected reasons and I respect all of your opinions.

Right, like when the Bills were 0-4 this year ? I'm sure there are plenty of historical examples out there or maybe a mathmetician to show us that even "educated" assumptions are probably correct a whopping ...... 50% of the time

So basically there is no evidence to support the conjecture is what you are saying? I see.... People never change and learn from their mistakes right? We were all of the same maturity level immediately after leaving college as we are 3 or 4 years after the fact, right?

Re: your "locker room cancer" comment, It was expressed by multiple team sources that TH handled his diminished role like a man and a professional. End of story. You were right on TH all along about his physical/mental abilities on the field. Why now make yourself look like a fool by spewing unfounded nonsense?

Aiken has not had nearly the opportunity that Reed has in order to show any tendancy wether good or bad. I'm just going on what I've seen of him in camp and in small spurts during the season.

Stop making sense You gotta love it when posters state "looks like they finally agree with Most of us at TBD" as if we (yes even the most knowledgeable of fans) have any clue in evaluating a player vs. coaches and staff who spend hundreds and hundreds of hours with these guys. Maybe just maybe the reason he's been here so long is because during that whole period he was the best QB on this team .

This would be the reasonable and most likely approach.

I see what you're getting at. As you were then......

I was in section 126 row 19. If I would have heard them I'm sure I would have agreed that they were lame

Good post AKC.... Some random big plays in big games by Moulds: '98 Jax game (caught the long ball that got them down to the 3 leading to the Flutie TD), '02 (Long ball over 2 Dolphin defenders to put away the Fish in the snow. We still had playoff aspirations at the time.) '03 vs. Cinci (reception that EM got injured on allows us to keep the winning drive alive , and the Bills get back to winning after starting 2-0), '98 Pats game in Foxboro (splits and stiffarms defenders on a long RAC play to keep Bills in the game but we lose on "just give it to 'em"), cinci '98 game (the week after phantom loss to patriots, Moulds single-handedly wins must win game to help get us to Playoffs. He also made tons of plays in the Miami playoff game that year although he did fumble on one of them). This is all I can think of without consulting the records...

I disagree but have nothing for you to prove that you're not right

I was there but don't recall hearing it, and never have previously. I have heard them pipe in with the "DEFENSE, DEFENSE" cheer plenty of times but that's just to get things started.

Yeah I did like him and gave him a really long leash as far as putting up with his struggles from a fan's point of view, but those days are nearly entirely in the rear view mirror. His continued concentration lapses have cost this team too many times and I can't justify him having the #3 spot merely as a good blocker. When he DOES catch the ball he shows great leg strength in getting extra yards but again he is just too inconsistent for me to keep supporting him.

I see no problem utilizing Aiken as #3 and focussing our cap $ in other areas. Most of those guys listed are either a downgrade (Streets, Ward, Thrash) or potentially too expensive (Burress, TJ) for a team that already has Moulds and Evans.

I'm with you LA. I'd watch Niners vs. Browns with a smile on my face if it came on my TV Saturday evening. I'm in way deep and there's no turning back for me.

Bill, do you know what the TE prospects look like for this year's coming draft? That might be an area of opportunity depending how the draft falls out. What about FA TE's ?

Looks like you beat me to the punch

Sorry I don't buy the Moulds comment for a second. He has NEVER shown a propensity to shy away from contact in his entire career nor has he short armed any balls that I have seen thrown. What I do see is his stubborn desire to take every catch (or potential catch) he makes and turn it into a RAC long gainer , thus at times losing immediate concentration on the task of catching the ball first. This is good in some senses but you got to know when to fold 'em sometimes too. I'm not trying to dispute your opinion that this guy knows football but that comment is unfounded, period. .... Oh and only a marginal fan would not know this

I could have saved you some work on those stats if you saw my post above in this thread . Oh well, it's good to reinforce....

smartass!

I believe the "football outsiders" website might already have something very similar to that. Sorry I do not have the URL.

1: # of points given up- 8th (much better than pretty average) 2: total ypa: Rushing- #3 (way better than "ok") Passing #1 (can't get better than that) 3: # of turnovers - #1 (slightly better than "ok" ) 4: # of sacks- #3 (see above) 5: 3rd down comp rate- #13 (even still above average) There is no loophole for you this year re: our defense. Sorry