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No , I believe it makes him Satan

On that we can agree here. The RB position looks very good with a healthy McGahee...

I think the problem here for me is that when you receive debate or rebutal re: any TH topic it seems that you assume the person on the other end thinks he's great or something. Often times for me, I am simply refuting what I consider "lunacy" like comments that he flat out cannot catch or block, period... Call it nitpicking if you want.

I won't argue with you there. I was pointing out his ability to learn and improve even with his limited intellect.

Again, based on both my own eyes , and from the radio commentary of AVP (he would usually say when a sack was given up whose actual responsibility it was on the play and it often conflicted with what "experts" thought here) Travis DID show improvement in the blitz pickup area in '04. The next sentence you mention about "lunacy" makes absolutely no sense at all if you read it again. And why not provide more than mockery in response? It is also a fact that he improved in receiving and route skills and showed this both in later '03 and in his final year, making difficult catches at times from so called "touch" passes from DB. This does not say that he was ever a great back, or even great at any of these particular skills, only that he did improve, especially from 2001 thru 2003. I think TD did a great job with the trade as well and am happy with it by the way.

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/camp.jsp

On a side note, it sure has been a long time (forever) since the Bills have had this many threats for the return game on the team at one time.

Pressure seems to be somewhat "old hat" to him if you will, and I think I like it

You are correct re: the O-line, but McGahee was anything but middle of the road last season. As the season wore on, he regained more of his speed and was able to beat defenders that had clear angles on him. He rarely fumbled and excelled both outside and inside. His nose for the endzone was nearly unmatched league wide if you factor in the 12 games he started. He certainly was not at where his potential leads him, but showed consistency along with progress. The only game he failed to acheive an important influence on was the roadie vs. you guys. Also , the so called "easy" stretch of the schedule looked a lot harder going into the season. You really never know quite what you're gonna get year to year like you used to in this league.

I think I'll try to make atleast one of the sessions. Look for a tan hat that says "lock 29".

Time of possession in most cases yes, but ultimately it's about turnover diff in the ultimate team game of american football.

I'd like to have seen what Gayle Sayers could have accomplished if his career (much like Bo Jackson) hadn't been cut short. On those old films he literally looks like a man running against a bunch of slouches in quicksand.

To me, it's always been about turnover differential in the highly competive games such as playoffs and division rivalries over the years moreso than any one position on the field including RB. I think the Patriots would agree as one of the more recent examples.

It's not very often that I disagree with Simon and AKC in the same thread, yet the fact remains here . And I'm only going with my eyes as they see the game of football here, statistics be damned, but I see some pretty broad sweeping brush strokes regarding Henry as a running back in this league. Somehow many of these brush strokes have become fact on this board. Maybe they are, but there are some respectable voices who also say it's not exactly as such. To me, Henry is a guy who walked onto a lousy team and made his own expectations for himself. He was a dedicated player who was one of the hardest workers in the off-season year after year. Even with his limited intellect he was able to address many of his issues as an all around back in each off season he played here. He was certainly not a great back, and I learned that over time while many here knew it already, but mediocre is certainly not in line with what he did here until it was obvious even to him that there was a better back about to take the reigns away from him. I dispute the claims of " poor in short yardage" given to him by what I perceive as a skewed memory of his final season here, where it became reality. Fact is, until that point the man used a "hit the hole" style to get the most he could get on every play. No he wasn't getting the "patient" yards that many Great backs get, but he also wasn't doing a jig in the backfield either and few NFL backs were quicker to the hole. He was ripping through the line and taking tacklers with him in a positive direction. He was a sharp cutter as well. He was considered at that point league wide to be a very good goal line back. That was not generated by the uneducated media IMO. As FFS often points out, TH improved greatly on his hands and routes in the receiving game from the low point he was at as a rookie. If many would have stepped aside the wall created by their own initial opinions, they would have seen this improvement and atleast respected the effort. He actually became quite reliable as an outlet man right about at the point where DB stopped seeing the field and often zoned in on other Receivers while TH often waived his hands in the air with an almost sure 4 to 5 yard gain. The fumbling was yet another thing. While horrible in the 2002 season, he focussed on it for the 2003 season and improved immensely on his technique. Even the often mentioned dismall blitz pickup was one of his brighter points of a down 2004 season. In watching every carry of his career as a Bill just as some of you have, I am confident in my opinion that TH was a good NFL back. He was never great, but gave great effort on every play. He played for his teamates, and played hurt. And most undeniably of all, you can look at your game tapes from the seasons he played here and find a game where the Bills were still in it going into the 2nd half and you'll see defenders shying away, throwing their arms out half assed reaching for him, backing off, and bouncing off #20. What we have in McGahee sure looks like a more complete player and a potential GREAT player (an I love it), but I will always appreciate what Henry did , and tried to do every down as a Bill while he was here.

Chris, I'm hoping to meet up with you again at Nick's or maybe a game... Keep up the fight. Best wishes and be strong.

Nice find Rico. Thanks...

Exactly, Vincent did nothing out of the ordinary. Freak accident brought on by JP trying for extra yards in a practice session.

Bingo!!

Expecting Aliens?

Just about anything by James Taylor would work great!

http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/take.html http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserv...0838298-4855209

Me too

I believe the "tards" you guys conveniently mention numbered all of about 2 or 3 people, pretty similar to the amount who would have been content with cutting TH outright. It's the extremes that usually dictate the middle ground and the ultimate result anyway, so you served a purpose. Personally, I had posted I was hoping for a 2nd but would be happy with a 3rd if it came to it... and here we are.

Culpepper, without hesitation. Strong arm, accurate, mobile, and experienced. Edit- Doh! I didn't initially see the "FFL" but it turns out I'd still take him...

Looks like someone's trying to cover their tracks but leaving a revealing trail of chit behind as they go