NewEra

I agree with McDs playoff results- poor. Very poor. i can’t overlook the fact that Jerry Hughes, Mario addison, Trent Murphy and rookie AJ were our pass rushers in 20. Add Rousseau in 21 but he wasn’t a very effective pass rusher. Ed was our only legit DT those years and he was only slightly better than JAG. Hard to win with no pass rush. Money poorly spent by Beane along the DL really crippled McD those seasons

I was called a clown because I didn’t take the time to look up posts from 7 years ago- I didn’t “research”. I had some down time after work today as my wife is out of town.

But then he wouldn’t be able to clown on the entire OL within a positive connor McGovern thread.

Chase Claytool- not a fan of the plan that he’s shown to be so far. Big fan of his physical gifts. I’m expecting him to be wr6 or cut

looks like I’m living rent free in your head just like @Thurman#1@Logic@Alphadawg7 and so many others. So- the top 2-3 WRs is how you rank a WR unit- Got it. Meanwhile: -I like Samuel and the nice thing is that he likely has that 600 yard kinda "floor" but might also have the upside to be a poor man's Diggs replacement in 2025 if they decide to cut bait from Stefon. ”As much as I'd love to get Samuel I would like to see them continue to get bigger at WR depth. It's great having guys who can get separation but the catch radius of this WR corps is not ideal and we saw how bad the wind at the Ralph can be late in the season.” ”I think Curtis Samuel could be that guy.........he's a 4.3 guy who could become a top slot WR but also can be a dynamic runner at RB and also is one of the higher rated deep threat WR's.” “I'd rather have Williams and a playmaker like Curtis Samuel......or a pass rusher.......than use that $ retain Milano.” ”I like the proven option in Samuel........he seemed like a perfect fit, legit 4.3 speed but also can play RB and is an excellent deep WR........especially with Beasley in his walk year and getting up there in age.......he could have been a real threat.” ”Samuel is versatile enough to play any of the WR positions and long term he's probably most dangerous from the slot. Beasley is in his walk year and has battled injuries.......Samuel would be the successor there in 2022. He would also become the Bills most dangerous RB option out of the backfield. He's a real RB too.......and legitimately 4.3 fast........not like "fast for a RB" guys like Etienne who people want to spend a high draft pick on. And his #'s as a deep ball receiver are excellent so yeah he can bounce out and play the X or Z.” “Samuel is exceptional on the deep ball........can play slot when Beasley leaves and is actually a trained RB who can produce there too. He was a great fit, IMO” “ Curtis Samuel is a proven and durable young veteran NFL player.........the Bills are ready to win now............he is outstanding not only out of the backfield or slot(where he could succeed Beasley and bounce back and forth between the backfield to allow more versatility).........but he is also a provenexcellent deep ball receiver. He has developed into an unusual player and he's not just elusive.........he's a legit 4.31 speed guy. There aren't as many of those out there as you may think.” “Samuel is not just fast dave..........he was one of the better downfield receivers in the NFL last year. He's not just a juiced up Isaiah McKenzie. He's a RB who converted to WR and is now an outstanding, versatile AND lightning fast WR. I like Sanders but at some point Sanders is gonna' hit the wall. 34 is old for a WR. I already think he's become less impactful than his stats indicate. It would be a shame if it happens in a year when the Bills are considered one of the conference favorites.” “Will Fuller and Curtis Samuel come to mind IMMEDIATELY. Samuel can play slot, outside, RB all while bringing elite speed.” ”2) Curtis Samuel was my top free agent target for reasons already given. That dude ran a 4.31 at the combine......not just some pro day #. That is elite speed and even in this great WR draft you are not likely to find a guy who can be an explosive RB, a dynamic slot and an excellent deep ball receiver” “I would *guess* Samuel gets 3 years $35M or so from a desperate team with a young QB to break-in. He's a better, more versatile player than Cole Beasley was after 2018(4 years $29M) and the value of WR's has increased greater than the salary cap since that time. So I don't think he gets south of $11M aav. That probably pushes him out of the Bills range. Ugly free agent class” ”but I DO expect Curtis Samuel to actually produce and be an impact player in January. He's a real NFL playmaker.” “The time is now for Curtis Samuel. He's in his prime and knows the offense and has had success in it” ———————————- Those are your quotes and your thoughts about our current top WR Curtis Samuel. Here are some of your thoughts on Jordan Matthews. The nicest thing I saw you write was “I like Matthew’s, but he’s a big slot and not many teams want a big slot”. ———————————- Jordan Matthew’s is so good that: “drafting/acquiring the unexceptional Zay Jones and Jordan Matthews and trying to become bigger and slower at WR bordered on inexplicable”. “If you recall the Eagles struggled for months to find any takers for Matthews for any kind of draft capital”. “drafting Zay and trading for KB and Matthews were atrocious”. (Speaking on Allen Hurns) “But when healthy he is more talented than Jordan Matthews”. “They were trying to trade Matthews for months. No takers. He was a throw in.” “Their WR corps to start last season was easily the worst in team history until Deonte and KB were acquired.” ”They are counting on a whole lot from Zay and a bunch of UDFA's to fill WR2-WR6 positions........it's almost unbelievable the WR corps is this shaky when they are trying to break in young QB's McCarron/Allen.” ”or when I accurately predicted that their post-Sammy WR situation would cripple their offensive production when others were hyping other-team-trash like Jordan Matthews. “The Eagles had been shopping Matthews around the league for a long time........no takers......finally threw him in to close the Darby deal.” “Matthews is a better track athlete......lot's of those types in the NFL.........but his actual football skillset is considerably lesser.........particularly the ballskills area.“ “that would've been sick if Molasses Matthews could have gotten to the first down marker.” “Jones Matthews Holmes Tate “Those are your 4 active WR every game...........and Tate is a terrible WR.” “Receiving corps in general has no playmakers.........Jordan Matthews isn't likely to change that at all he's a shaky handed possession specialist” “Jordan Matthews was a much easier fit.........he's a post up, short range receiver on a team with nobody in the WR corps” “Matthews was just a throw in in the Darby trade......Eagles had been trying to deal him for months and got virtually no value back at all for him.” ”but in fairness Matthews was a throw-in”. Some of your thoughts on current WR3-4-5 that would be competing against Andre Holmes- Kaelin clay and Brandon Tate Who are the Bills "deep group of good WR"? It's Diggs.......a huge gap..........and THEN a MVS-like WR3 in GabeDavis” “Since then they dealt Hill and then signed Juju and MVS and they both played up to expectations.......Juju finished 24th in receiving yards and MVS was who he always has been” “People spent years talking about how the Packers were Davante Adams and a bunch of garbage at WR and then a championship team turns around and gives Green Bay's WR2 an 8 figure aav contract. And then he played that role just like he always did......but as the 3rd option instead of the 2nd option........and they won a SB” “And MVS was their version of what Gabe Davis provides the Bills........just further down the ladder where he can exploit matchups.” ”MVS was basically Gabe Davis but with like a dozen less targets.......those two guys are as close of a comp to each other as any two WR's in the NFL” ”He's in the MVS and Gabe category.” Was Andre Holmes in that category too? Obv “MVS is settled in as a 3rd option receiving target in theNFL.........his free agent contract signed last offseason was 3 years $30M..........that's the market for that level of talent.” Similar to andre Holmes I’m sure. Yet- you say the 2017 WR unit is better than the 2024 unit because the top guys are better- riiiiiight. Matthews -Zay-Holmes- Sure sounds like you believe Matthews was better than Samuel. Rookie Zay vs Shakir? LOL. MVS/coleman/ or even claypool vs Holmes? LOL- 🤡-that’s me- 🤣 While you’re the guy that exists here just to combat a few of us that are too optimistic for your liking. The fact that you’re arguing that the 17-18 WR unit is better than the 24 unit is good proof of this. Calling me out because I’m talking about the depth of the 24 unit- while even the top 3 of 24 are clearly better than 17. The only thing you have is “Jordan Matthew’s was a 1000 yard receiver” - and even that’s not true. Close though. Sure seems like you value Matthews more than Samuel 💩 ✌️

everything is meaningless when it doesn’t agree with your narrative

Lee Evans would’ve been the best WR on the last 2 Super Bowl championship teams too.

He’s telling you because he was interviewed. I told you because you read the interview. He didn’t tweet it on his own.

How many super bowls did they win with Aaron Rodgers after they drafted Love? My contention all along was if they don’t win another with AR- it was a poor choice. Win a SB Jordan Love. I’ve already chimed in and ate some crow on the Love pick. He’s much better than I ever thought he’d be. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong- unlike a few select posters here.

On the flip side- we have fans just twisting themselves into knots trying to convince themselves that we’re doomed and can’t win a Super Bowl unless we have an elite WR. goes both ways. i have no clue if this will pan out- I don’t see any reason to sit there and predict doom. Some people choose to only see the negative in everything

Nice way to bow out and take the L

Athletes do interviews. and AJ will play plenty- von lines up on both sides- they can play at the same time

Originally answered pass rush- but I’d switch my answer to Joe Brady- I think he’s the key to our season just like I thought Dorsey was last season. He hasn’t proven much as an OC to date, but I prefer him to Dorsey. He gained notoriety for being the OC that didn’t call plays for Burrow, Chase and Jefferson. Didn’t do much in Carolina (but didn’t have much of a chance with no QB) and was about average for us last season while failing to properly utilize our best weapon. Definitely my biggest concern after some thought. I think we should be able to manufacture some pressure with our pieces, although I maintain getting pressure is the key to progressing in the playoffs.

Par for the course

Ok- I suppose i should rephrase my question as my original argument was refuting the bolded above- is this the worst WR the Bills have ever had? I’ve been going off of our WRs to start seasons, ie final 53. Imo- 17 and 18 are absolute no brainers. I don’t consider Sammy because he wasn’t on the 17 team and “this point in the offseason” wasn’t part of the discussion. I could have been more specific. No chance I’d ever choose 17 over 24. If Tate, Kaelin Clay and Joe Webb were flanked by Sammy, Bob Woods and Andre Holmes I could get behind that. But those 3 are so bad that the great Jordan Matthew’s, Zay Jones rookie and Andre Holmes can’t turn this into a real debate imo. I’d also take Benjamin- Zay- foster- holmes- Ray ray and deonte Thompson over that group- but 2024 is clearly better than both to my eyes. Some see it differently- only natural

lol- yes- I spend a lot of time here- that doesn’t mean I’m a fool that would waste his time looking up a thread from 7 years ago and searching through it for a particular members opinion? This is how you move the goalposts? 😂 I’ve spent enough time here to get the biggest kick out of one thing in particular, you calling people names. Grown *** man constantly calling other grown men and women names as if it hurts their feelings.

Or I could just ask him and save myself some of my time on earth. Going back and looking at those types of threads is your thing- enjoy those minutes no- my perception isn’t clouded in the least. When we had Sammy this time of year- you’re right- I thought we would be ok drafting Zay to replace Bob. Then we traded Sammy- and I wasn’t happy about it. I wasn’t happy with our WR corp. I thought getting Matthew’s made some sense and that he could be a nice player- but nowhere near Sammy. I was not a fan of Tate. I hated clay. I laughed at Webb. I thought Holmes was similar to Hollins. I thought our depth was putrid. It was- it also proved to be just that. God awful- we needed deonte and Benjamin to bail us out. statistics don’t determine my thoughts on players and WR units. Statistics are often a a result of situations, play calling, coaching, rosters, teams success etc. i look at the stats and weigh them with my player evaluation's. Matthew’s was WR1- his WR2 was Riley cooper and 3 was rookie Nelson agholor. He was the only WR option, stats are inevitable stats. I view this teams WR depth as much better than 17 and 18. Maybe our number 1 in 24 doesn’t have the stats that Matthew’s did, but I think Samuel is a better player. Apparently I’m not the only one. but cool- you think think unit is worse- we can discuss after the season

Ok- so 18 is definitely worse and 17 is a debate- I’ll get back to this after work, walking in right now.

So you think 2024 is better than 2017 and 2018? Do you even think it’s debatable?

lol- just hilarious- Cherry pick all you like- Tate- Clay- Webb were all out of the league minutes later. None of which were nfl caliber players. Jordan Matthew’s was a big slow possession WR that the nfl knew was a bum- his big payday was 1- year 1.8M with SF with 300k gtd. He was cut prior the season. Yes- he had a better career than Samuel did to this point. Absolutely- you are correct- now compare the rest- as I’ve discussed with you before 1 WR doesn’t make a unit. Especially when that WR wasn’t considered to good by anyone but statistics. Why don’t you add up the career YpG of the other 5 WR? Because that would ruin your case. Now cherry pick on sentence and move the goal posts.

i value your opinion of players?

Meanwhile- you don’t know who’s better- 2017 Matthews-Zay-Holmes-Tate-clay-Webb or 2024 Samuel- Shakir- Coleman- MVS- Hollins- Claypool because it has to be measured relatively…. As such- you will get clowned

People are funny

Too funny- the 2017 and 24 wr units against each other. We aren’t comparing the units relative to the rest of the league. It doesn’t matter how they are ranked league wide- the WR units don’t actually play against each other. They play against opposing defenses. It’s about having capable players for the QB to throw too. Having guys that can make plays. Or in 2017’s case, having guys incapable of making plays. Or staying in the league for more than a season. Example- 2035 and the league is comprised of Justin Jefferson clones. Every team in the league has 6 Justin Jefferson clones except the Bills. The Bills have 6 Brandon Aiyuk clones. Because you “it has to be measured relatively” the 2017 bills WRs might be better than the 2035 bills because the Bills WRs are the worst in the league while the 2017 teams was bottom 5. this is a ridiculous hill to stand on. But I’m enjoying watching you sit there trying to play smart guy. move the goal posts or give us some other analogy of how the 17 WRs aren’t worse than the 24 WRs. hey @GoBills808 which WR do you think is better, 17 or 24?

I’m hoping I won’t always see him as Claytool. I’m not holding my breath though.